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Kingston Vol said:
Very complicated.

He's never felt the love from the fanbase that he thinks he deserves - and I think he's right to a degree.
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I've taken his side more times than not. Butch and Dooley both yanked him around and ended up driving Amari to Clemson. That strengthened the pipeline that cost us Higgins and other players. Pruitt did what Pruitt does and infighting within his staff put Tee and Jay on the outs when they were trying to help UT. So much of the time UT reaps what it sows.
 
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05_never_again said:
Oh, it totally has.

Look at the teams that make the CFP (especially the winners) and the teams that make the playoffs in the NFL (especially SB winners or teams making deep playoff runs). They all have elite, or borderline-elite, QB play. The days where you could have average QB play and a team led by a running game or a strong defense are over. Alabama was an exception to the rule there early in Saban's dynasty (Tua was his first truly great QB) but even they aren't anymore. Tua and Jones had eye-popping stats, and this 5-star dual threat they've got coming up will probably continue that.

The game is so passing-oriented (not just offense-oriented, but specifically passing-oriented) due to rule changes and how the game is called that I simply don't think you can be a great team anymore without a great QB. That, plus the athleticism these days of these WRs makes them impossible to cover one-on-one. Because offense is so dominant, the only way to play D today is to have a great pass rush, particularly being able to generate a pass rush without blitzing.
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Heupel knows.Just saw this on Twitter....I’m not getting jack done today for work btw

 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Still waiting on you to explain? Go ahead. I'm sure it's racial related or some garbage like that. let's hear it.
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I'm not going to go down this road. I have my opinion of the situation.

I don't care if it's Tee Martin or whoever, I don't like all you coach worshipping dorks turning on guys who played here just because a new coach has determined they are expendable. Same thing happened when Butch was hired with Tee and Jay.

Same thing happened after Pruitt's first year with Terry Fair.

Same thing is happening now with Phillip Fulmer.
 
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sutro said:
Disclaimer - long, and I'm speaking generally here about the fanbase, not to anyone personally. Though if you're offended, a bit of introspection might be in order.
I think it's a little more nuanced than just rabid dogs. I was in the band in the late 80's and 90's, and in grad school after that coming to games as a regular student. We have always had a particular trait as a fanbase that has frustrated me. Yes we travel well. Yes we donate. Yes we are rabid, passionate fans when things go well. But when things start to not go well, even for a series or two, Neyland immediately turns off, sits on its hands and becomes a tomb. Never mind that the fans are the biggest part of our home field advantage and can play a huge part in momentum. A large part of our support has always been much more transactional, with an intensely negative, head for the exits in the third quarter mentality bubbling just below the surface. It's not everyone, but the degree of binary on/off support displayed in person and in the moment is shocking in comparison to a place like TAMU. Maybe 15-20% of the folks who came to an otherwise wet, miserable game were actually still in the stadium to see Stoerner fumble - in an undefeated season. The Legions of the Miserable are real, and many of them are season ticket holders. And now they have twitter and the rest of the internet, and are dead-set on voicing their grievances to the world.
In the interim, the fanbase has taken repeated hits - weak ADs, weak admin leadership, promising but failed hires, unbelievably bad hires, booster shenanigans - it has taken its toll, and the negativity has grown dramatically. I've lurked through every coaching search in here since Kiffin with rapt attention, because it's fun, and trying to piece together what's happening behind the scenes and gaming out possibilities for the future is addictive. It's my only connection with the program at this point besides watching every game, as I've been on the west coast for 20 years. With each search, the negativity in here has naturally grown. Someone in here made the comment a couple of evenings ago during one of the candidate freakouts about us being bipolar, and that's when I put it all together. We're not bipolar, we're borderline. Look it up. I had to work under someone who was borderline for just 2 months, and I can honestly say that it was the most miserable thing I've ever had to go through in a work setting.
When things are going well, we're that crazy hot girl at the club who is wild and fun, shows a lot more cleavage than anyone else, and immediately falls head over heels for you (coach, administration, program). Intense, passionate, hard to resist.
Right now, we're at the phase where you (coach, admin, program) come home to find that your crazy hot girl has been cyberstalking you and all your friends and acquaintances, has poisoned the dog, is wearing only panties and one of your button down shirts that is soaked with tears and mascara, and is busy cutting the mattress in half with a chainsaw.
I'm underwhelmed with the hire, but hopeful that we can have an offense again, and that maybe the right staff can bring the defense around. In retrospect, with our current set of circumstances, I think we're likely lucky that Heupel said yes and we didn't end up with someone with less chance of success. I'm hopeful that with our recent housecleaning, our AD, admin and booster situations are more stable, competent and functional than in the past. That leaves us as a fanbase, and I think we've got some work to do to become attractive again. Someone actually emailed Sonny Dykes telling him we weren't interested? WTF? It's not just perception - we are toxic. Words matter, tweets matter, actions matter - particularly to someone we're trying to convince to come here to play or coach. Admin just burned this whole thing down because it has been rotten since soon after Dickey left. We need to put away our matches, or we'll never be able to rebuild.
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Didn't read it. there's long, and then there's ridiculous
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Very complicated.

He's never felt the love from the fanbase that he thinks he deserves - and I think he's right to a degree.
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Huh? We were begging for him to come here for years and the story was he wouldn’t come out here because his wife wanted to be in LA. He finally came here, and didn’t do very well at his job, so there wasn’t much of a buzz around him. Pretty simple
 
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LA Vol said:
I've taken his side more times than not. Butch and Dooley both yanked him around and ended up driving Amari to Clemson. That strengthened the pipeline that cost us Higgins and other players. Pruitt did what Pruitt does and infighting within his staff put Tee and Jay on the outs when they were trying to help UT. So much of the time UT reaps what it sows.
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Let's at least be transparent about it, unless your name was Neids you were treated like sh!t by Pruitt
 
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chavisut said:
I don't see this working out. It's obvious the majority will buy in no matter what. I hope y'all can serve me up some medium rare crow in a couple years.


GBFO, always.
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I'm usually with you. I'm a little more optimistic this time for whatever reason. Maybe just drinking the kool-aid.

I don't think we'll ever compete for anything of substance under Heupel, but it'll be better than where we've been.
 
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