Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[TrippieRedd]

Zach Arnett kind of looks like Georges St. Pierre

 

[CoachClick]

I don't think so. I think it was Heuple since before White was hired. All the other stuff was window dressing. I know I sound like a tinfoil hat guy right now but I believe this has been in the works for weeks.

This is exactly what I said for weeks now.

Admin knew they had to make a move, they also knew that their choices were very limited with our recent exposure to violations.

Search firm was a CYA.

 

[Ashevolle]

This OL isn't an awful group of men to start building with, a few of the guys may not have gotten much PT under a Pruitt regime cause they weren't big enough (in his eyes) to be SEC linemen. But may flourish in an uptempo system with more agility required.
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Jackson Lampley - 4*
Cooper Mays - 4*
Jerome Carvin - 4*
Cade Mays - 5*

Not sure if Wright is staying or leaving, I know Wanya & Jahmir are transferring out (or last I saw they were)

I think Wright announced he's staying.

 

[Catbone]

Why the 6 yr deal then if it's a bridge hire? They thinking this could be a 6yr penalty from the AA?

I think we had to offer something crazy like that just to get coaches to consider us bc of the situation we are in

 

[BruinVol]

Possible name to look at for DC is Todd Grantham.

I’ll take him in a heart beat

 

[T Dog]

Good morning my brother's and sister's.

 

[LA Vol]

You guys need me for an AD. Give me FU money and I might be able to hire whoever we want. Please note I consider FU money to be limitless. To Campbell in my first contact I would have offered 13m/year and told him I'm prepared to triple the salaries of each and every one of his 10 assistants. You wanna talk? He and his staff would be the highest paid in all of college football. We get our man and the stories written would be different. Oh, and by the way, my salary as AD, I'm willing to keep it in the mid 6 figures. I have investment income. I got the idea we were offering maybe 7 or 8 to Franklin. We were already spending 6+ on staff plus Pruitt at 4+. I'm saying if you want a top hire to Tennessee we're going to have to pay Jimbo bucks. Go from 11/year total to 25/year total. That's my definition of FU money. I think they either didn't really try or we just have a different definition of FU money. Maybe they would be embarrassed to been seen throwing that kind of money around. Wouldn't bother me one bit. I'm used to spending hundreds of millions of other peoples (corporations) money on a yearly basis. I'm good at it and I am 100% committed to getting the job done. That's why people (corporations) paid me so well.

All that throwing money around stuff didn't come from me. I think they were prepared to spend more for certain guys, but IDT a blank check strategy was ever in play. Some people can be bought-- not all, but some. And UT had options that weren't pursued. All in all, this could have gone three different ways, and I think it went the predictable path.

 

[lfvol]

I'm thankful for Dabos big mouth. Elliot would have been a disaster. We got the right guy. Dabo will Wish he let Elliot take the job after he sees what Heupel builds.

So you are saying the AD who hired and managed JH believed TE was the best choice here but you think JH was best?

 

[volinexile17]

Nope and I don’t mean in terms of decision making/running the program. He shouldn’t be consulting us for that but a major part of his job is to appeal to us and keep us engaged. You don’t do that by trying to bully.

You do that by appealing to the fanbase, making smart decisions and yes, ass kissing. He’s a fluffer in that a major part of his job is to get folks excited for all of UTSports — to get us buying tickets, attending games, generating buzz/energy and promoting all things UT. If you want an example of that look at how Bruce Pearl interacted with fans and got students as well as casuals involved in basketball. He’s a textbook example of how you take a toxic and practically dead program and rally fans behind it. That is the positivity that White wants from us.

Well he needs to employ strategies that will work. Bruce didn’t demand students to come out. He went to every event on campus and made himself a part of it. He talked up his program and went out of his way to promote every other sport and activity on campus. Don’t let the bluntness of my words offend your sensibilities or confuse you. Perhaps you’d be more comfortable with terms like glad handing and kissing babies but it amounts to the same. You don’t make demands or try to browbeat people into submission. You become the example you want others to follow.

I was at UT for the end of Buzz and beginning of Bruce. Can confirm the night and day difference, and the energy Bruce brought to campus. That’s why people were signing petitions for him. It wasn’t just winning - everyone knew the guy loved UT and wanted to be here.

 

[Vols2DaWall]

I’ll look at the offensive opponents of UCF a bit later but first I wanted to see how our national rankings compared to each other for scoring, offensively and defensively. Clearly Pruitt was never able to do anything on the offensive side of the ball but he was able to muster a string of defensive wins in the back half of 2019. I’d advise keeping in mind this is relative to our individual schedules. I'm assuming, which may not be true, that our new coach will have his own offensive scheme. Again, I guess it's possible that may not be the case, depending on who our new OC is. jmo.

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The focus of our change in direction has been to solve our issues on the offensive side. Here is a look at the offensive scoring comparison between UCF and UT over the past 3 years, sorted by the strength of the opponents scoring defense and against our respective schedules. I think it’s obvious we have had better talent than UCF but maybe not relative to as much of our schedule. In any event, I think UCF’s offense performed as it should against most average or below average scoring defenses and not so well against top units. Our offense struggled up and down the schedule; it didn’t seem to matter how good or bad the other team was. We had JG. At a high level I think it’s easy to assume we will be better and more consistent on offense; however, I’m not sure the scheme will help us all that much against the better defenses we may face from time to time. jmo.

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Fits with what the UCFers are saying. That his offense flusters against good teams. This though doesn't take into account UCFs defense. For each of those losses, UCF scored 23, 33, 24, 32, 26, 34, 49, 31 (average 31.5 pts) with a mean score D of 26.5

With our losses, we averaged 16.6 points with a mean score D of 38.

So, UCF averaged 10 more points in their losses AND their mean score D was higher

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

LSU was the only team in 2016 they didn't rack up 350+ total yards on, Odom taking over as HC and their defense falling apart was why those teams weren't more successful.


West Virginia: 11pts 462yds
Eastern Michigan: 61pts 647yds
Georgia: 27pts 471yds
Delaware State: 79pts 698yds
LSU: 7pts 265yds
Florida: 14pts 363yds
Middle Tenn: 45pts 629yds
Kentucky: 21pts 386yds
South Carolina: 21pts 465yds
Vanderbilt: 26pts 481yds
Tennessee: 37pts 740yds
Arkansas: 28pts 399yds

He didn’t score a lot of points. I’d say two things to counter that: 1, It is a different league now, defense isn’t what it was then. And 2, his offense has continued to get better. He had no problems scoring on LSU with a back up QB at UCF.

 

[HankHill]

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Imagine Luke longly guarding Anthony Davis lol

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I think Wright announced he's staying.

NICE!

Tackles: Wright/Cade/Calbert
Guards: Carvin/Lampley
Center: Cooper

Chris A and Spragginz could also push to earn starting roles. Darnell will have to drop some weight though, the other guys I mention I think have shown already they are pretty agile...Calbert might also be a tad heavy for this system though.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Possible name to look at for DC is Todd Grantham.

I'd be worried about the fit with Grantham. Our offense is going to be boom or bust - can't have that on the defensive side too.

 

[Catbone]

Life's too short to be negative. I have fully bought in. All concerns about this coach and future staff will be buried with blind optimism, unlees on field results prove other wise.

Life is too long

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Mississippi St DC Zach Arnett being talked about as DC on TOS.

Don’t get my hopes up!!!!

 

[VolInDayton]

So you are saying the AD who hired and managed JH believed TE was the best choice here but you think JH was best?

Oh the AD clearly stated the #1 target was JH. I am unsure what you are trying to say here.

 

[VolInDayton]

Life is too long to be positive too!

The fact that life is short limits how many times you can be made to look like a fool by being positive.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

He didn’t score a lot of points. I’d say two things to counter that: 1, It is a different league now, defense isn’t what it was then. And 2, his offense has continued to get better. He had no problems scoring on LSU with a back up QB at UCF.

I'd also point out that Pruitt's tenure proved a HC can hamstring a great OC. So who knows how much limitations Heupel faced in year 1 with Odom in place as a first time HC himself.

But they came -to- Neyland and hung 37 on us with 740 yards, and still lost by 26 points... (spoiler alert, that's not the OC's fault)

 

[seaofORANGE22]

I actually think it’s the opposite of tone deaf. He has done his homework, he knows our dysfunction. Ultimately, I agree, the long term more effective route is to drown out the negative with positivity. But I’m a big believer that as a leader you have to serve notice to bad culture. Especially in a role where he will never have the opportunity to personally interact with an overwhelming majority of the fanbase. By addressing it, he actually enlists, emboldens the positive fans as the model and as a source of accountability for the more negative fans.

Preach

 

[butchna]

Mississippi St DC Zach Arnett being talked about as DC on TOS.

Runs that 3-3-5. I’ll defer to the gurus for cost benefit analysis. Also recently signed an extension...hope White didn’t return that Centurion card.

 

[volinexile17]

I’ll take him in a heart beat

Please no. His defenses have sucked for a decade. Also, he’s a dick.

 

[RiotVol]

So JH paid half of his own buyout to come here...,?

That’s all I need to hear. I’m on board until he gives me a reason not to be.

 

[BruinVol]

Please no. His defenses have sucked for a decade. Also, he’s a dick.

His defenses have been great except for this past year

 

[lfvol]

All that throwing money around stuff didn't come from me. I think they were prepared to spend more for certain guys, but IDT a blank check strategy was ever in play. Some people can be bought-- not all, but some. And UT had options that weren't pursued. All in all, this could have gone three different ways, and I think it went the predictable path.

Plowman at minimum played the timing piece very poorly damaging the roster and likely more in the process by going so overboard in the self righteous press conference. And I don’t understand why we cannot acknowledge White didn’t get done what he expected or that we expected when we paid obscene AD money and buyout. Doesn’t mean JH can’t have some success.