Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[Geronimo]

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[Jack Burton]

Huepel is most similar to Urban. We got Urban 2.0 without health issues. Someone make sure Huepel uses the treadmill to deal with stress and not McDonald's

Less than 24 hours after the press conference and Heupel is the next Urban Meyer!

I think guys like Hyatt and Velus Jones will really thrive in this new style offense. We still need a difference maker at RB.

 

[Ashevolle]

Anyone know if Heupel recruits a lot of transfers historically? I think we'll need to go the transfer and JuCo route hard for 2 years.

 

[volinexile17]

His defenses have been great except for this past year

Nobody wasted more talent at Georgia than Grantham. Louisville, Miss St, Cowboys - those defenses all sucked. Grantham is basically the Rob Ryan of the SEC. I have no idea how he keeps getting jobs.

 

[pierce60]

I was at UT for the end of Buzz and beginning of Bruce. Can confirm the night and day difference, and the energy Bruce brought to campus. That’s why people were signing petitions for him. It wasn’t just winning - everyone knew the guy loved UT and wanted to be here.

The biggest thing that set Bruce Pearl apart from Buzz Peterson is that he won ball games. If he didn't win then the season tickets wouldn't have sold, he wouldn't have built the program the way he did and his antics would have worn thin VERY quickly.

You can be a high energy, fun loving players coach or you can be a hard nosed ass hole IF YOU WIN GAMES.

 

[Dudleys87]

Anyone know if Heupel recruits a lot of transfers historically? I think we'll need to go the transfer and JuCo route hard for 2 years.

As long as they don’t go to UCF

 

[jp1]

The way his defenses play.

I like what I've read. What do our chances look like?

 

[GVol1966]

Great question. I have to say it is TBD on a few things. First, we need to hire a legit O line coach and developer of talent because we are not completely depleted of talent. Mays, Kennedy, Johnson, Spraggins, Wright, and a few more would be serviceable. Second, can Heupel infuse quick passing game to influence opposing defenses to not put 7 to 8 in the box. We all know that we will not be a smash mouth football team running this offense. That being said, this actually tends to help O lineman out quite a bit for not having to hold up one on one for a 5 step drop or long play action double move route like we have seen over the past years where our line gets whipped early and the play is busted almost immediately. If you add in to the mix the threat of our QB being mobile this will also keep opposing defenses from pinning their ears back post Dobbs. Again, all revolves around controlling the line of scrimmage but controlling the line of scrimmage should not solely be looked at as pushing the opposing team three yards off the ball every play. If we go warp speed with no substitutions on drives and can catch defenses in wrong personnel groupings, points, big plays, and clock control will all be possible with our current roster. I have faith that Heupel can take his new roster and get so much more out of it than our previous staff. Line included. In the past, let’s say Trey Smith pancakes his man but Wanya whiffs, the play is still not going to work. Cohesion of the line will look different than simply a hat on a hat football. Also, we all know that the defensive coaching staff that is hired is the key to success. If we can get a few 3 and outs mixed with sustained drives at warp speed, the opposing defense will be sucking air by the second and fourth quarters of games. The next few days will tell a lot about what to expect depending on the assistant coaches we surround our players and coach Heupel with.

I think you’re spot on. Couldn’t of said it better.
Really anxious to see what the D staff is going to look like.

 

[Orange Studs]

With the O he is going to run we might want to get a couple of DT's and DE's for depth. lol D runs off the field 30 second later TD ok boys let's go back out there. lol

 

[Z06VolinWV]

Anyone know the status on our players in portal? Wasn't yesterday the last day to enroll in a school to transfer?

 

[VeeOhElEsYes]

Anyone know if Heupel recruits a lot of transfers historically? I think we'll need to go the transfer and JuCo route hard for 2 years.

At this point in the college football world, I believe I’d go this route hard every year.

 

[Orange Studs]

Is Brooks out of the picture now? Any chance to get him back?

 

[BearCat204]

Possible name to look at for DC is Todd Grantham.

I will riot if we hire that damn bum

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

So Chris Low wrote an article on ESPN saying these are all names we pursued that weren't interested.

UCF's Heupel named Tennessee's next coach


I don't think all of those names got legit offers, but they were all contacted at least. The one that I don't understand passing is Tony Elliott. Franklin likely was entertaining the idea to get something from Penn State, Fickell was likely a short conversation as I've said in the past he seems content to wait out a Big 10 offer. Sonny Dykes is in a great spot for himself right now, makes good money and has SMU doing well clears close to 1.5m if not more. PJ Fleck also seems to be in a good spot with a program he's still building, and is already making more than 4.5m a year not sure we were going to offer him a big enough raise to start over in a bigger spotlight.

But Elliott would have nothing to lose, first time HC taking over a SEC juggernaut in hibernation dealing with NCAA violations....if he fails plenty of justifiable reasons for it. BUT if he succeeds...he could be plucked from UT for the NFL writing his own ticket within a few seasons.

I believe we called Campbell and Fickell and got no real quick, which we expect but you still call just in case.

Then it went Franklin (Gundy 2.0), Elliott, and then JH. I don’t think they seriously considered Fleck or Dykes.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

All that throwing money around stuff didn't come from me. I think they were prepared to spend more for certain guys, but IDT a blank check strategy was ever in play. Some people can be bought-- not all, but some. And UT had options that weren't pursued. All in all, this could have gone three different ways, and I think it went the predictable path.

Yeah, that's what bugs me the most...VN hear's third hand about a random poster on VQ saying we were talking "upto" 8 million a year "big bucks" and suddenly that's the gospel. I highly doubt UT having just paid White big bucks AND a buyout, wanted to just walk up to the next guy (regardless of who it was) and pay them Dabo/Saban money (without them being either of those guys). Some people are too gullible around here.

Heupel at 4 million a year for 6 years AND him paying any of his own buyout...that's arguably the best freaking situation you could ask for. I mean like it's been pointed out Elliott has Clemson talent, hard not to look like an offensive genius there. And we can look at the recruiting rankings for UCF, even if Frost was "killing" it in that department they sure as hell don't have anywhere near the talent of even the weakest SEC team.

 

[knoxswim890]

Just saw an interesting conspiracy theory about DW and JH that I thought I'd share.

Here's how I stumbled upon the theory and it's also a good tldr: (tldr stolen from UGA board)

"Basically, UT was talking to White 2 weeks before firing Pruitt and retiring Fulmer for him. But, also that White and Heupel had already been planning on both going to UT basically before White was formally announced, saying Heupel had been interviewing for his staff (in Knoxville)"


Poster on UCF's board said that UT was interested in Huepel the day that fired Pruitt.

Heupel on Tennessee Radar (posted Jan 18 - 2:25pm)
"Heard a rumor that Heupel could be in the mix at UTK. Would explain why he talked to Tee Martin after Wyatt left and their TE coach.
Clearly would only benefit UCF. Supposedly some boosters don’t want Chadwell/Freeze because of their history with violations. if heupel does interview/gets Tennessee job then there’s a certain former auburn coach that considers our latest WR coach an “adopted son.”

Then the same poster follows up with this post yesterday.

How I knew - UCF board

"So everyone has been asking me how I knew that Heupel and White were going to Tennessee. Well I do have 2 sources: one in Knoxville and one in Orlando. Theres a podcast I like about Tennessee football because they’re absolutely crazy. I have emailed ome of the people on the show and we have a correspondenc. About two weeks ago, one of the hosts said that Tee Martin was having a “flirtation” with UCF. This came as a shock given that Wyatt hadn’t left yet. But I thought nothing about it at the time.
Then came the Wyatt news. I was fine with Wyatt leaving given that he sucked and he was no big loss. But then it came out that Kodi Burns was the front runner to replace him. That didn’t add up to what the guy said about Tee Martin talking to Heupel. So I emailed the host in Tennessee and he confirmed that Tee Martin and another “staffer” were talking to Heupel presumably about getting a life raft out of Knoxville. So when it came out that Heupel was interviewing Osovet I knew that something was up. Then I contacted my UCF source.
My source, who shall remain nameless, does not hold an “important” role at UCF, but this person hears a lot of gossip. So I trust this person implicitly. this person flat out told me that Danny White had been contacted 2 weeks ago by Tennessee. That they knew Fulmer was gone and they wanted White. Danny interviewed then and not last week as was stated in his press conferenc. That was a lie for him to save face. My source then said that White and Heupel met privatel. That Heupel had already been putting together a staff. That Tee Martin and Osovet were being interviewed not for UCF, but to see if they would be on Heupel’s staff. That Heupel had been talking to Kevin Steele with the understanding that Steele would be his DC. So with that information I posted the topic.
Luckily I have heard that UCF has gotten wind of Heupel’s and White’s plans and have a contingency plan in place. I know if Scott Carr is promoted he will go after Gus first with the understanding that Carr and Malzahn have a relationship. Option 2 is Brian Johnson.
so to sum up: I heard a podcast, spoke to the host of said podcast, saw the interviews Heupel was conducting, and then contacted my UCF source who confirmed Heupel was bolting."

I think that this guy at UCF may have gotten lucky with his post and there are some holes in it, but if JH keeps Steele then it starts to look a lot more plausible.

Anyway none of this really matters, we have a new coach that I hope brings us back.

So back to lurking.

Seems like it fits the theory someone (maybe AV, maybe SF I can’t remember) mentioning quite early in the process when Steele was brought in that at least one vetted candidate had already approved Steele as DC. Let’s see if it ends up being the case.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

All that throwing money around stuff didn't come from me. I think they were prepared to spend more for certain guys, but IDT a blank check strategy was ever in play. Some people can be bought-- not all, but some. And UT had options that weren't pursued. All in all, this could have gone three different ways, and I think it went the predictable path.

I can respect that. Tell you what, let's say I throw in a 10 million signing bonus for you and a signing bonus for each of the men on your staff equivalent to one year of each of their pay. Do you think the guys who work for you would be interested in that?

 

[VolInDayton]

Less than 24 hours after the press conference and Heupel is the next Urban Meyer!

I think guys like Hyatt and Velus Jones will really thrive in this new style offense. We still need a difference maker at RB.

I was trying to make comparisons between our current roster and Floridas roster under Urban, but I didn't want to compare players to murders, racist, and criminals.

 

[lfvol]

I'd be worried about the fit with Grantham. Our offense is going to be boom or bust - can't have that on the defensive side too.

We have two safeties without SEC speed returning and we lost our best corner to the draft and rising DB talent to transfer. Add in likely losing both starting LBs and being Ole Miss and outscoring people is the only option

 

[butchna]

I don't care about any of the guys who left the team. If we get popped for paying money to certain players, I hope Gray was one of them and OU has to vacate every game he play's in.

I have no ill will towards him. Happy that we have a stable of RB’s with a clear field.

 

[A.J.]

Less than 24 hours after the press conference and Heupel is the next Urban Meyer!

I think guys like Hyatt and Velus Jones will really thrive in this new style offense. We still need a difference maker at RB.

I think we should have some playmakers at RB if someone can teach them how to block. I like the guys we have coming back with the addition of Evans and Brown.

 

[Batman1948]

So what was the deal with gray not playing against a&m? I never heard why he didn't play.

MONEY

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

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[volamite86]

Huepel is most similar to Urban. We got Urban 2.0 without health issues. Someone make sure Huepel uses the treadmill to deal with stress and not McDonald's

There are absolutely no similarities lol. Urban took a 2-9 Bowling Green team and won 8 games his first year there. 9 games the next season. Went to a 5 win Utah team and won 10 games the following season, and followed that with a 12-0 season. JH has progressively lost more games each season. Don’t try and spin this as a hidden gem hire. It’s another bandaid on a bullet wound hire.

 

[RikidyBones]

Watching the UCF game vs Cincy so far they have put two of three drives together. Got lucky on a punt fumble by Cincy for field position but they are fast, use the whole field for routes, definitely watch film. Several offsides on Cincy because they simply watched film. 14-3 UCF right now.

UCF has confidence.