Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[LA Vol]

We paid Butch the duration of his contact for fetching coffee for Saban. Tell Auburn to cry us a river.

You'd have to look long and hard to find a better YETI filler or listmaker.

 

[Smokeytom]

OL can’t go down field on RPOs.... that’s how you get illegal man downfield. You’re looking at the wrong things.

Lol. Thanks, but I'm not football illiterate. They can't get more than 3 yards down field - correct - but on the large majority of RPOs you see the OL fire off the ball like its a run play. Not immediately step back in pass pro.

It could still be an RPO and the OL is in pass pro because its more downfield, but it also doesn't appear that the QB is reading the safeties post snap, much less the side of the field where the safety comes down into the box as the QB's head is turned the other way selling the PA to the RB.

Everyone runs RPOs a little differently of course, but without knowing the intricacies of Heupel's offense, this looks more like a PA. jmo of course. Like I said it very well could be an RPO.

 

[BloodShovel]

I go back and fourth on this. I think Bailey starts as well, but a new coach means a new start for everyone, we will see who JH favors to lead the team,

All on them to earn it. Which one is going to put in the work.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

BasketVols jumped from 18 up to 11 after last week.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I know what they were ranked in 2017, and I know how they got there and how hollow it was.

72 points vs. Missouri State, 34 points vs. Kentucky in a loss, 28 points vs. Georgia in a loss, 68 points vs. Idaho, 52 points vs. UCONN, 45 points vs. Florida (good showing here, but that team had quit on McElwain at this point.), 50 points vs. Tennessee (same thing for Butch Jones), 45 vs. Vanderbilt, 48 vs. Arkansas, 16 vs. Texas in the bowl.

Again, we are absolutely going to score points. Debating that would be silly. I just don't think this offense is built to score on teams that have similar talent or a talent advantage. We will feast on bad teams, no-show against good teams. And on the talent side, we've already lost basically an entire signing class to the portal, have a notoriously average recruiter as HC (and staff as it is currently constructed), and we will very likely have scholarship reductions for the next two to three years.

The more I read, I just don't know why we went in this direction. We needed someone who can do more with less because we were always going to have a lean couple of years.

I’m confused by some of your points. It’s like your purposefully trying to be negative. This offense is intended to be used as a way to do more with less. Running pro style and slowing games down can only be done with elite talent. This offense works with average talent and puts up points. Seems like you’re trying to be negative and hate the hire.

 

[Ashevolle]

Butch seemed to enjoy sticking it to UT. He had it lined up to be an unpaid coach at Catholic for his son's SR year, but UT quashed that. So Butch got Saban to work a deal. Butch had some variation of the reasonable effort/comparable position verbiage in his contract, but he had UT backed into a corner. He was crafty, he made his intent clear and UT knew he meant it.

UT and Steele were in agreement on how it would work. Then the upheaval happened. If the new regime had immediately worked it out with Steele-- similar to what you laid out-- the situation could have been resolved days ago. But UT didn't do that. And that will come with costs-- tangible or intangible.

He burned his career down in order to pull some pissant BS against his former employer. He literally stagnated for years to prove a stupid point. He's lucky to be a head coach again and will languish in little league for the rest of his miserable career.

Any halfway decent coach would have jumped back into being an OC somewhere right away rather than being a towel boy.

 

[Pepe]

I wonder what you could make if you made Uber runs in a 997? I would pay extra.

Why, you're not driving it

 

[IN Jed]

Happy Birthday man, I’d like to be able to tell you that it gets better but it doesn’t. I’m 46 now and around 44-45 is when it hit me. All except the drinking bit, I’ve been dry for 25 years now. Drastic changes for me after 45.

ditto here. Turned 45 last fall and I don't know if it's the quarantine or getting old but physically I fell off the cliff last year. Can't do anything without getting injured, can't see for poop, gain weight if I look at the wrong food, just a total hot mess. I help coach a high school track team and I have to do workouts with the JV girls (no hyperbole) and I was a D1 runner in college. Depressing.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

My brother lives there, and makes a lot of money working 70+ hours a week on rockets for Space-X, but after state and local get done with him it is a very unimpressive living...he loves it out there because it is a cool place to live for a lot of reasons, but he hates the place because of the government, and wants to transfer to Texas.

Big reason Texas and Arizona are going more blue.... lots of people leaving California because of all the blue laws and regulations....

 

[Batman1948]

Not a Tennessee grad (went another route), but I grew up in rural, nowhere Tennessee, and football - for me - is the Vols. I enjoy the Titans, but Tennessee football is the Vols. Don’t even understand the concept of choosing another team.

If it's in your blood, there's no way you can just turn it off. I'm 1500 miles from Knoxville and I don't get the chance to see them play anymore---last game attended was the National Championship game in Tempe. I still bleed orange and will never change.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I’m confused by some of your points. It’s like your purposefully trying to be negative. This offense is intended to be used as a way to do more with less. Running pro style and slowing games down can only be done with elite talent. This offense works with average talent and puts up points. Seems like you’re trying to be negative and hate the hire.

It puts up points when there is a talent advantage, there's no proof it can work when going up against top end defenses.

But like I said, it's possible JH makes some tweaks. It's my opinion that he will have to slow his offense down a *little* to protect his defense and going fast against SEC defenses who can compete on the outside will not work long term.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

The difference was, Butch had the leverage. He made it clear he would file suit if he didn't get his full buyout. There were things about the Title IX investigation that didn't need to come out. Sometimes, the prudent strategy is to pay people to go away quietly.

Butch flaunting his low-paid position at Bama was no coincidence; neither was his taking another HC job when his UT buyout payments ran out.

I loved the subtleness of when Butch put his house on Realtor or Redfin and had the Bama helmet staged in his 1,000 square ft walk-in closet.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I go back and fourth on this. I think Bailey starts as well, but a new coach means a new start for everyone, we will see who JH favors to lead the team,

Hooker: 63.1% 2894 yards, 22 TDs, 7 INTs
Bailey: 70.6% 578 yards, 4 TDs, 2 INTs
Maurer: 45.7% 550 yards, 2 TDs, 5 INTs

Granted all those numbers were in difference systems, but if Bailey loses his job it won't be to Brian Maurer...I'm not sure yet about Salter, he at least is on campus already so he'll have a pretty equal shot.

 

[volinbama256]

mehsteele?

Steele and Garner are what we need as the floor.... bare minimum IMO.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Hooker: 63.1% 2894 yards, 22 TDs, 7 INTs
Bailey: 70.6% 578 yards, 4 TDs, 2 INTs
Maurer: 45.7% 550 yards, 2 TDs, 5 INTs

Granted all those numbers were in difference systems, but if Bailey loses his job it won't be to Brian Maurer...I'm not sure yet about Salter, he at least is on campus already so he'll have a pretty equal shot.

Is it fair to say Maurer fits better in JH's system then Pruitt's? So stats will be skewed, no?

So, imo, my point stands. We will see who fits best/plays best in this new system.

(Not taking up for Maurer, by any means)

 

[TheMagnificantOne]

Well crap, there goes our Tight End coach hire.

Dang he went from Never coaching, to Head Coach

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

It puts up points when there is a talent advantage, there's no proof it can work when going up against top end defenses.

But like I said, it's possible JH makes some tweaks. It's my opinion that he will have to slow his offense down a *little* to protect his defense and going fast against SEC defenses who can compete on the outside will not work long term.

True. I think it will be adjusted to what Mizzou ran. But I do believe he likes scoring fast and then slowing things down once you have a lead.

 

[Kingston Vol]

True. I think it will be adjusted to what Mizzou ran. But I do believe he likes scoring fast and then slowing things down once you have a lead.

I'm rooting for the guy just because I think this job is in as bad a spot as can be imagined. I have serious reservations about this offense in the SEC and as a result what kind of defensive staff will come along. But like I said, Heupel has my respect for throwing caution to the wind and taking the chance.

I guess I'm just jaded by the process, how he was selected and who we did or didn't interview.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

It puts up points when there is a talent advantage, there's no proof it can work when going up against top end defenses.

But like I said, it's possible JH makes some tweaks. It's my opinion that he will have to slow his offense down a *little* to protect his defense and going fast against SEC defenses who can compete on the outside will not work long term.

You realize that's every offense in existence though, right? Like no offense does BETTER against top end defenses, not on average.

 

[COOKEVOL]

Happy Birthday man, I’d like to be able to tell you that it gets better but it doesn’t. I’m 46 now and around 44-45 is when it hit me. All except the drinking bit, I’ve been dry for 25 years now. Drastic changes for me after 45.

Aw man! I rollover to 45 this year.

 

[drvenner]

Is this the type of in-depth, detail-oriented research they encourage at MIT?

Single-source, non-peer reviewed, what could possibly go wrong?

 

[VolGee4]

He burned his career down in order to pull some pissant BS against his former employer. He literally stagnated for years to prove a stupid point. He's lucky to be a head coach again and will languish in little league for the rest of his miserable career.

Any halfway decent coach would have jumped back into being an OC somewhere right away rather than being a towel boy.

To be fair, his son was either going to be a junior or senior in HS after he was fired. It was clear he wanted at least one year off to watch and/or coach there. But he couldn't because of his contract. I have no problem with wanting to be with family after getting paid. I know people like to criticize his circumstances, and he had some leverage on UT. He probably could have gotten a job after year one or two, and I agree that it wasn't a coincidence that he took a new job after UT's payments stopped.

 

[VolsdeepVFL]

Big reason Texas and Arizona are going more blue.... lots of people leaving California because of all the blue laws and regulations....

Lazy take, the biggest driver is a growing Latino population in both states.

 

[engineerVOL]

Turning 33 today boys. Now when I sleep wrong, I feel it for a month. Can't handle mega spicy stuff anymore. Hangovers last four days... The end is near.

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Coffee helps

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Is it fair to say Maurer fits better in JH's system then Pruitt's? So stats will be skewed, no?

So, imo, my point stands. We will see who fits best/plays best in this new system.

(Not taking up for Maurer, by any means)

That's not what I was discussing. I was saying Bailey may do better in this system than Lock did, because Bailey has proven to be more accurate in his limited sample size. The fact every other QB in Chaney's system did worse has me thinking Bailey could be really special with a better offense and QB developing HC.

I do think Maurer is in a better position than he was under Pruitt/Chaney. I think all the QBs are honestly better off with Heupel as the HC when it comes to developing them and giving them the opportunity to shine. But I still think this QB battle will be between Hooker/Bailey.