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MIT_Beaver said:
Go take a look at UCF forums, they are very excited that we took Heupel off their hands. That tells you everything you need to know.
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It tells me that they may be too big for their britches.

What have they ever done? What have they ever won ... and now, after a good run under Frost and Heupel, they think they're too good for Heupel?!?!

They just lost their AD and coach ... they may make a home run hire that we wish we could've made, and they may not.
They may find out what we've been learning for years about coaching hires ...
 
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White took his previous Hc from his old job. I doubt he would allow an AD from another school make his decisions for him. He probably would do a lot of vetting and background work to understand what all went down at Auburn though to make an informed decisions on if he can trust Steele won’t attempt similar things here to undermine the process
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Yeah, and I don’t think that will work in SEC football - and wouldn’t have worked long term for Barnes. It was just dumb luck that Grant was an NBA talent misevaluated by other schools because he was short and fat (when he arrived on campus).

We need to attack recruiting under Heupel - not sit back and take what we can get.
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Worked pretty well for Gary Pinkel. It can work if everyone is bought in and invested in the culture and vision. Are we beating Bama anytime soon? Absolutely not. UGA and UF? Definitely possible.
 
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HankHill said:
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This is another play that I love because it’s so simple. JH starts the RB in the slot and when he moves back pre snap it signals immediately that they are in man... then they use the outside WR on a rub/pick route against the LB (which is already in a tough matchup) to basically have a wide open easy touch down on the wheel route. The LB just has no chance to defend this. Imagine doing this with beckwith.....
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I like that play as well. Although I don’t expect it to be that easy in the SEC.
 
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If we want to rebuild effectively UT will need to be creative about the optics going forward.

For instance, if we receive a bowl ban then we should play a post season exhibition game in Hawaii or California so the players still have something to look forward to. Someone else is probably on probation so let’s play them and call it the Banned Bowl or something.

We should try to schedule a spring game with another school outside of the conference. Unlikely with Covid but Heupel should showcase the offensive style and get some buzz going.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Yeah, it's totally possible he adjusts his offense. If he runs what he ran at Missouri, it won't work against the best teams on our schedule. That I am confident about.
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Depends on QB is what I'd say to that, people look at the Lock numbers for the whole season and think "he was elite" but most of Missouri's offensive struggles came from Lock having a JG type game (the bad kind).

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He had good games against Georgia & Kentucky with them still losing. But they scored 28 on Georgia & 34 on Kentucky, the defense gave up 53 to Georgia and 40 to Kentucky. Not really on the offense for those losses.

Barry Odom as a HC/DC was terrible, they started to improve though when he gave DC to Ryan Walters.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Here's why I'm "all in" with CJH.

The BYU game is the only loss of his 8 in his career that was by more than a single possession. That tells me that losses are typically because of in-game mistakes, not fundamental issues with scheme, game plan, or development of players. Something we've lacked since Kiffin was here.

Look at Kiffin's first year, Ole Miss game (which we wore in it until into the 3rd when Ole Miss' rushing attack wore out the defense) we got wrecked and he didn't coach the bowl game. But all the other losses (4 total) were by single possessions, because even a young Kiffin was developing our players, game planning well, and running a successful scheme. I think we'll see similar results from CJH, this first year will likely be a bit worse thought but once he's got the culture changed we should be a competitive team week to week winning more than we lose.
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I do agree that JH's ability to be in close games is definitely a plus for him. We just need hope, and scoring a bunch of points in a loss against UF, UGA, Bama bring hope. Just like Kiffin at OM.

Just for clarification, Kiffin did coach our bowl game. Just not sure he prepared it well. He left in the first week of January.
 
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Heupel's offense is MUCH more Briles/Kiffin-esque than Leach. Here are some numbers.

Heupel (2018-2020)
Year....Pass (Att-Yards/gm)....Run (Att-Yards/gm)
2018....30-257...45-266
2019....35-316...43-224
2020....41-357...44-210

Briles (2013-2015)
2013....34-359...48-259
2014...39-365...48-215
2015....30-289...54-327

Kiffin (2018-2020)
2018...30-237...47-242
2019....36-283...39-167
2020...34-345...46-211

Leach (2018-2020)
2018...52-373...21-78
2019....54-437...16-68
2020...50-296...19-43

Conclusion...Mike Leach is allergic to running the ball.
 
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VolGee4 said:
All true but Butch was fine with being an analyst. I don't know if the "fair market value" phrasing was in his contract, but that is in Steele's. If Steele will remain as LB coach, then we are fine, and we could pull an Orgeron to USC move where Steele is DC but is LB coach in name only. However, if we name Steele as DC, I think Auburn has a case to request that he be paid closer to fair market value.
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Butch seemed to enjoy sticking it to UT. He had it lined up to be an unpaid coach at Catholic for his son's SR year, but UT quashed that. So Butch got Saban to work a deal. Butch had some variation of the reasonable effort/comparable position verbiage in his contract, but he had UT backed into a corner. He was crafty, he made his intent clear and UT knew he meant it.

UT and Steele were in agreement on how it would work. Then the upheaval happened. If the new regime had immediately worked it out with Steele-- similar to what you laid out-- the situation could have been resolved days ago. But UT didn't do that. And that will come with costs-- tangible or intangible.
 
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utvols88 said:
Turning 33 today boys. Now when I sleep wrong, I feel it for a month. Can't handle mega spicy stuff anymore. Hangovers last four days... The end is near.

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Happy Birthday man, I’d like to be able to tell you that it gets better but it doesn’t. I’m 46 now and around 44-45 is when it hit me. All except the drinking bit, I’ve been dry for 25 years now. Drastic changes for me after 45.
 
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I know some feel Steele got pushed on to us, but even without all that's happened here he's still arguably a top 5-10 DC hire.

I already shared what his career as a DC has looked like. His worse season at Clemson was greatly impacted by a single game against West Virginia.

I think his experience would be a benefit to have opposite a relatively young offensive staff & HC. The question though would be is he a snake in the grass like the outside appearance with the Auburn situation makes him out to be? I think that's what DW & JH are trying to figure out right now.
 
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you said:
I’ve been saying this. When you put up 79 points against a bad team, then only put up 7 or so against a good team, then you average about 40.

Don’t buy into this 40+ average points per game stat because it’s deceiving.

Now, if he hangs 50 on UGA like Kiffen did, then get excited.
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Just to counter that though, just at UCF:
- His lowest point total game in 2018 was 31.
- His lowest point total game in 2019 was 24. All others were 31+.
- His lowest point total game in 2020 was 23 (in bowl game).

He's had twenty(!) 40+ point games while at UCF.
 
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pierce60 said:
Heupel's offense is MUCH more Briles/Kiffin-esque than Leach. Here are some numbers.

Heupel (2018-2020)
Year....Pass (Att-Yards/gm)....Run (Att-Yards/gm)
2018....30-257...45-266
2019....35-316...43-224
2020....41-357...44-210

Briles (2013-2015)
2013....34-359...48-259
2014...39-365...48-215
2015....30-289...54-327

Kiffin (2018-2020)
2018...30-237...47-242
2019....36-283...39-167
2020...34-345...46-211

Leach (2018-2020)
2018...52-373...21-78
2019....54-437...16-68
2020...50-296...19-43

Conclusion...Mike Leach is allergic to running the ball.
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Thank you for tracking that down. People need to understand the Briles scheme is much more run-heavy than a true Air Raid system.
 
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