Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[jkleno]

We should have hired Lovie Smith as Head Coach and let him hire his staff. We would have cut right thru the SEC in recruiting. SECe rep in less than 3 years.

 

[SSVol]

Not really, unless you think black coaches are underrepresented because they simply can't coach as well as white coaches. The NBA player pool is a product of a meritocracy. The world of coaching hasn't traditionally been one.

And yet we tried to hire multiple black head coaches, apparently willing to overpay, and ended up with the fat white guy. Now we are doing exactly the same thing for DC. To be as underrepresented as they are, it appears that black coaches can be pretty dang choosey.

 

[GVol1966]

This is not the place to have this discussion, but what you're pointing out is a false equivalency.

Labor and talent positions are far more merit-based than coaching and management positions. The zinger you've just tried to use actually proves the opposite point: there are far more black players by percentage in the NBA than head coaches by percentage.

Last I’ll say on the subject. You support my stance.
People hung up on diversity, it’s only a problem one way. Flip the numbers and it isn’t a problem.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Then why was Todd Orlando one of the first choices> This is another case of Basilio/social media creating drama.

Oh yeah! Forgot about Todd!

 

[Adam2014]

 

[barrylee]

Reading this site this morning leads me to believe we have some Quanon folks on here..

 

[SLICKYINC]

Oh damn, thanks.

WTF IS DW DOING!?! CONKLIN WILL CRAWL OVER BROKEN GLASS FOR THE DC JOB HERE!!!

Over dramatic much?

 

[VFLPastor]

Earth's moon is stunningly beautiful.
"When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place..." Ps 8:3
This image was taken by an amateur astronomer recently. H/T

 

[volswillrise12]

Listen the guy can be whatever just hire based off resume and if he’s a chemistry fit with the staff. We’ve had too much drama with coaching staffs and this one not getting along with that one.

 

[columbia vol]

We should have hired Lovie Smith as Head Coach and let him hire his staff. We would have cut right thru the SEC in recruiting. SECe rep in less than 3 years.

He’s been trying to land for 12 damn years

 

[Tyler865]

What? So if 80% of the roster is one race, you should have 80% of the coaching staff the same? Wow!!! So if I went to a predominantly minority school (which I did) 80% of teachers and admin should have been minority? If a company is 90% white, should they have 90% of company leadership be white? This logic is outrageous. Hire the best people possible and let them do their jobs. This is regardless of whether they are black, white, Asian, Chinese, etc.

Sure, it is very simple and correct to say it's as easy as hiring the best people regardless of race. The fact is, in practice, that doesn't happen.

 

[thistime]

Getting psyched about lunch today......FISH STICK !!!!!! WWOOOHOOO !!!! Living in the fast lane !!!!

 

[butchna]

Oh damn, thanks.

WTF IS DW DOING!?! CONKLIN WILL CRAWL OVER BROKEN GLASS FOR THE DC JOB HERE!!!

No he wouldn’t. He would take a business class or higher flight.

 

[seaofORANGE22]

White players are underrepresented in the NBA .
We should start a boycott and demand they draft white guys in the first round.

Is this how that stuff works?

I know you think this is clever and explains it all away easily in your mind.

But the goal is to attract young people into this program. And young people generally do not share this line of thinking in any capacity, and this argument would not sway them one inch.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

What? So if 80% of the roster is one race, you should have 80% of the coaching staff the same? Wow!!! So if I went to a predominantly minority school (which I did) 80% of teachers and admin should have been minority? If a company is 90% white, should they have 90% of company leadership be white? This logic is outrageous. Hire the best people possible and let them do their jobs. This is regardless of whether they are black, white, Asian, Chinese, etc.

But is there any proof other than personal perception that Conklin is the best hire?

That's where things get cloudy. With so many other factors it's really hard to say who the best hire for the DC job is of the candidates floated. Especially when you also have to think about the up & coming aspect of things, Washington at this point would appear to be the weakest candidate we've talked to...but in 5 years he may be the best DC in college.

 

[thistime]

NOTHING BUT THE BEST BABY !!!!

 

[VFLPastor]

Getting psyched about lunch today......FISH STICK !!!!!! WWOOOHOOO !!!! Living in the fast lane !!!!

Level up.

 

[amazingGRACE]

I used to absolutely crush frozen fish sticks for lunch when I was a kid

 

[preacherwebb]

Okay, I think I'm going to do what UT is probably going to do soon enough, and that's self impose sanctions, hoping the Mods (NCAA) doesn't come and hammer me later.

I was only trying to create a little laughter on the board while it was slow and no good news was coming out.
I think some of my gifs we are little insensitive (not the pudding one tho).

So I am self imposing a gif posting restriction on myself. I will not allow myself to post a gif for the rest of the day, and into tomorrow morning.
This restriction ends at 9AM on February 13th, 2021.

I will allow myself to read and post (and edit - give likes), but no gifs.
(PS - If we do indeed hire a DC, "boom" and other celebratory type gifs will be allowed.)

 

[Lofton/Durant4 3]

I mean I got no issue with DW if that's true, and it seems like JH hasn't got an issue either. If we read the tea leaves and look at what has been posted on various news sources as stories. Brown & Washington both had legit offers/interest and -they- (not us) chose not to come here. I've seen nothing firm that leads me to believe Orlando got a legit offer, not even a "staying at USC" tweet from their side.

So obviously JH doesn't ONLY want Conklin, and has liked at least 2 other candidates well enough to make strong pushes to hire them. If all this is taken at face value the only thing it makes me think is Heupel isn't sold on Rodgers, cause he's the only name I feel confident would have already said yes. NFL is in their off-season, VFL, from the state and likely wants another shot to be a DC. If he had gotten paperwork like Washington the search would be done, imo at least.

This post feels closest to the truth of the matter.

 

[pierce60]

I haven’t heard anything about pushing a diversity hire and I don’t go to VQ. I only come on this site. But, if you look at who we are targeting, it seems like more than speculation. Especially since I was told that Heupel likes Conklin and he would come.

I think Conklin is past tense. He would have come.

 

[volKano]

What? So if 80% of the roster is one race, you should have 80% of the coaching staff the same? Wow!!! So if I went to a predominantly minority school (which I did) 80% of teachers and admin should have been minority? If a company is 90% white, should they have 90% of company leadership be white? This logic is outrageous. Hire the best people possible and let them do their jobs. This is regardless of whether they are black, white, Asian, Chinese, etc.

 

[VFLPastor]

Okay, I think I'm going to do what UT is probably going to do soon enough, and that's self impose sanctions, hoping the Mods (NCAA) doesn't come and hammer me later.

I was only trying to create a little laughter on the board while it was slow and no good news was coming out.
I think some of my gifs we are little insensitive (not the pudding one tho).

So I am self imposing a gif posting restriction on myself. I will not allow myself to post a gif for the rest of the day, and into tomorrow morning.
This restriction ends at 9AM on February 13th, 2021.

I will allow myself to read and post, but no gifs.
(PS - If we do indeed hire a DC, "boom" and other celebratory type gifs will be allowed.)


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Death Penalty IMO

 

[orangejuice]

White players are underrepresented in the NBA .
We should start a boycott and demand they draft white guys in the first round.

Is this how that stuff works?

Sure if you're that blind to the very real racism in our country. Whether you like it or not, the fact is that there are 56% of division 1 athletes that are black and only 10% are head coaches (don’t have stats on coordinators). There is a clear bias there, whether conscious or unconscious, but your statement is very tone def. Everyone says it should only be the best person picked no matter the color of your skin. Purely unbiased statistics should over time show a closer average number of black coaches as opposed to white coaches (technically there should be more considering a larger number of black athletes play college football and professional), but when only the “best” is picked, as I hear a lot, it somehow ends up being white. I would argue that’s the definition of biased. Ok rant over. Apologies in advance.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

We should have hired Lovie Smith as Head Coach and let him hire his staff. We would have cut right thru the SEC in recruiting. SECe rep in less than 3 years.

Just like he did at Illinois right?