Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[VolGee4]

wait ... for real ... cause it's not my favorite, i mean, it's just, like ... what are the chances his head would be in that exact spot in space and time when a random tire flies into that exact spot in space and time ... ya know?

Just FYI. He did not die. Broken skull and chest bone, but he survived.

Brazil man hit by runaway car tire | Daily Mail Online

Edit: I was 3rdDegree'd

 

[SSVol]

Sure, it is very simple and correct to say it's as easy as hiring the best people regardless of race. The fact is, in practice, that doesn't happen.

Perhaps not, but every attempt to fix it, whether legally through EEOC, or via diversity hires of today or Affirmative Action of years ago, you wind up with deserving people getting passed over (of all races/genders) and others getting jobs they are only marginally qualified for. There is just as much racism in lowered expectations as there is in the more tradition type, it's just more subtle. It isn't a simple problem.

When you are on the nth candidate, having been rejected multiple times, it's time to just hire the best guy available. You did your part. Move on.

 

[volswillrise12]

The important thing to me is DW and CJH being on the same page on hires. There is no point hiring someone and going over someone’s head. It just leads to the kinds of bad things that have happened in the past on our coaching staff.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

But is there any proof other than personal perception that Conklin is the best hire?

That's where things get cloudy. With so many other factors it's really hard to say who the best hire for the DC job is of the candidates floated. Especially when you also have to think about the up & coming aspect of things, Washington at this point would appear to be the weakest candidate we've talked to...but in 5 years he may be the best DC in college.

Only time will tell, but I don’t care who we hire. I just want it be our coaches decision and let everyone start off on the right foot. We need a staff who is all in and on the same page.

 

[Weezer]

Black coaches are underrepresented at the coordinator (and HC) level, so I honestly don't mind White trying to make a hire in that direction. I also think it's important the coaching staff represents 80% of the roster.

The problem I have is White and Heupel possibly not being on the same page. If your HC wants to hire x, you should hire x, if you trust him as much as you say you do.

I think this is a horrible argument, for many reasons. But I'm gonna refrain from the political ramifications of such an argument and focus on just this case. At least two men of color have been offered and said no. You target the best choice, regardless of color. Anyone who wants to argue why we didn't make a diversity hire needs to take their complaints to the two men of color that said no. People call for equality and diversity, but seem to ignore when opportunities are offered and refused. If Elliott had said yes during the coaching search, there would be one more black head coach in college football. If Washington had accepted the DC position, there would be one more black DC in college football. If you want diversity in college football, it is not the sole responsibility of one side to make it happen. Yet no one questions those who refuse to take that step forward. Do I understand why those men said "no thanks"? Sure, but I also understand the university tried to make diversity hires. They shouldn't be forced to go through only minority candidates to make SJWs happy when they offered and were refused.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Only time will tell, but I don’t care who we hire. I just want it be our coaches decision and let everyone start off on the right foot. We need a staff who is all in and on the same page.

Well I don't trust a damn thing any media person speculates on their PAY TO VIEW forum. I doubt Heupel will hire anyone he isn't on board with.

 

[orangejuice]

What? So if 80% of the roster is one race, you should have 80% of the coaching staff the same? Wow!!! So if I went to a predominantly minority school (which I did) 80% of teachers and admin should have been minority? If a company is 90% white, should they have 90% of company leadership be white? This logic is outrageous. Hire the best people possible and let them do their jobs. This is regardless of whether they are black, white, Asian, Chinese, etc.

See my previous rant, but the problem is that the supposed “best”, is biased, skewed towards white people. Your theory of the “best”, only works if there is a true unbiased society. Statistics of white coaches is an obvious example of this bias. Compare your 80% minority school example. If you take that example and compare it to college football, then the 20% of white kids that graduate from that school would come back and make up 90% of the teachers. This assumes that only people from that school can come back and teach (kinda like generally only people that have played college football, are usually the only coaches).

 

[3rdDegreeVol]

Just FYI. He did not die. Broken skull and chest bone, but he survived.

Brazil man hit by runaway car tire | Daily Mail Online

Edit: I was 3rdDegree'd

 

[Tyler865]

I think this is a horrible argument, for many reasons. But I'm gonna refrain from the political ramifications of such an argument and focus on just this case. At least two men of color have been offered and said no. You target the best choice, regardless of color. Anyone who wants to argue why we didn't make a diversity hire needs to take their complaints to the two men of color that said no. People call for equality and diversity, but seem to ignore when opportunities are offered and refused. If Elliott had said yes during the coaching search, there would be one more black head coach in college football. If Washington had accepted the DC position, there would be one more black DC in college football. If you want diversity in college football, it is not the sole responsibility of one side to make it happen. Yet no one questions those who refuse to take that step forward. Do I understand why those men said "no thanks"? Sure, but I also understand the university tried to make diversity hires. They shouldn't be forced to go through only minority candidates to make SJWs happy when they offered and were refused.

I am not arguing we should only be targeting black defensive coordinators. My only argument was that I appreciate it if that were Danny White's initial intention.

But as you said, we're flailing right now and you can't always get what you want.

And to be fair, we don't even know this has been mandated by DW. We're just talking based on no info.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

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Lol. Hope this is a joke and not directed at me. You have no idea who I am, who I hang out with, or where I grew up.

 

[thistime]

Level up.

That's what the nice men said. They told me they we going to get me some skittles to help me out.

 

[volbeast33]

Lol. Nope.

I don’t remember you mentioning it before today.

 

[SSVol]

It's kinda funny. Nobody will get offended if you point out racial disparities in physical abilities, but certain folks head will explode if you point out differences in mental abilities. Coaching is about communicating, strategizing, planning, teaching, etc. Being a good player doesn't make you a good coach, particularly at the higher levels of coaching (coordinators and HC).

 

[IhateGA]

Hard to care about diversity when you keep offering black coaches promotions and they continue to say no. Don't complain about a lack of black coaches if you are not going to step up when given the chance.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I mean Tim Banks is a strong candidate himself, I'd probably have him and Conklin as my top 2 of names I've seen.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

See my previous rant, but the problem is that the supposed “best”, is biased, skewed towards white people. Your theory of the “best”, only works if there is a true unbiased society. Statistics of white coaches is an obvious example of this bias. Compare your 80% minority school example. If you take that example and compare it to college football, then the 20% of white kids that graduate from that school would come back and make up 90% of the teachers. This assumes that only people from that school can come back and teach (kinda like generally only people that have played college football, are usually the only coaches).

I feel you are missing a big point , white people make up over 60% of the population and AA make up 13%. So it makes sense that there is more white coaches since there are many more people who could be chosen. Just because they didn’t play in college doesn’t mean they can’t be a great coach. I know plenty of successful coaches who never played in college. I would love an all black staff. It doesn’t bother me if they are purple though. I just want the best and want to win.

 

[RikidyBones]

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Danny White like

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I don’t remember you mentioning it before today.

I don’t bring info here anymore until it is brought up. I used to and got hounded so I don’t do it anymore. But once something is stated, I will confirm what I have heard as well. You can chose to believe it or not. Check my comments though on Too Too and Ansley. Brought those up way before anyone else.

 

[FiremedicVOL127]

Something to think about

Then why was Todd Orlando one of the first choices> This is another case of Basilio/social media creating drama.

UT media and Knoxville basement broadcasting personalities do our university no favors! I wish there was some way to shut em all down! They throw crap against walls just for clicks n likes and it trashes the university period! They don't give 2 ***** about UT they are everyone looking for ways to secure their jobs with horse manure whether it be correct or not. And even the stuff that's true they need to throttle back the blatant hate n despair they come across with!!!

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Lol. Hope this is a joke and not directed at me. You have no idea who I am, who I hang out with, or where I grew up.

Calm down Luke Cage, he just posted a silly gif.

 

[volKano]

Lol. Hope this is a joke and not directed at me. You have no idea who I am, who I hang out with, or where I grew up.

its a joke, Austin Powers movie. I didn’t think it would be taken seriously.

 

[orangejuice]

I feel you are missing a big point , white people make up over 60% of the population and AA make up 13%. So it makes sense that there is more white coaches since there are many more people who could be chosen. Just because they didn’t play in college doesn’t mean they can’t be a great coach. I know plenty of successful coaches who never played in college. I would love an all black staff. It doesn’t bother me if they are purple though. I just want the best and want to win.

I’m not here convince you we need an all black staff, I just think it’s ingenuine to say things like, just hire the “best” and pretend there isn’t a biased towards white coaches, and statements like 80% of minority schools should have 80% minority teachers is just an exaggerated way to justify the current bias. I grew up on the country and my parents say the same stuff but I married into a minority family and see the struggle that does exist.

 

[SoilVol]

It's kinda funny. Nobody will get offended if you point out racial disparities in physical abilities, but certain folks head will explode if you point out differences in mental abilities. Coaching is about communicating, strategizing, planning, teaching, etc. Being a good player doesn't make you a good coach, particularly at the higher levels of coaching (coordinators and HC).

What are you insinuating? Just say it.

 

[ob79]

While you idiots are at it, tell Ashley’s dad he’s an idiot too. @ob79 he isn’t and neither is @Atlanta VOL Also @InVOLuntary and others who know the legitimacy of a man whose whole life and his fathers supported Tennessee. He’s not posting because he’s been told not to. However, he really tried to give the insight he could and it doesn’t disappoint me the newbies spouting off as much as you guys who know better.

I hope he never post again here. You guys deserve to wallow in your misery.

Now that I've read a little more and realize he reason behind this post...

A few things and then I'm gonna dip.

1. I'd buy Bruin a beer, just to have the opportunity to spit in it before I threw it in his face. I'm you're Huckleberry.

2. Seculate all you want but my toes begin to curl when you question motive and character. I don't give a flying rat turd what your opinion of AV's insider status is, I've verified that with my own eyes. Talk on that all you want...but do everyone a favor and keep your personal opinions of him personally out of this board.

3. AV will return when he chooses, or he won't, but he won't be bringing info like before, at least for the foreseeable future. No, this isn't the result of any punitive measure. I'll let him speak on that if he wants to.

4. After my last two weeks, y'all are funny, arguing about this ridiculousness. None of this stuff really matters. Feels like all I've dealt with has been death for the last two weeks. I just don't care who the DC is right now.

5. I find it curious how someone (previously mentioned in this post) can continuously make personal attacks against another poster, and their motives, and not receive a ban.

Peace out, boys.