Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[captainfalcon777]

Question for those in and around Knoxville: I haven't had a nice dinner in the city for a few years. What are some places to suggest to a friend who is going soon? Middle to high end dining. Thanks.

Might I suggest Chili’s?
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[Bassmaster_Vol]

People that don't believe in the binary nature of gender should feel free not to procreate. Then if their stupidity is genetic, it won't get passed on and we can slowly eliminate the stupid gene over a couple of generations.

CNN literally stated it as fact in an article that “gender cannot be known at birth.” Uh... that’s only true if you are an absolute idiot. But I guess many are

 

[Glitch]

Shoney’s breakfast bar is clutch.

It is indeed. If you are constipated and looking for a way to get things moving.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Does this in anyway affect our football team? I don’t think so, jmo as Chatta would say

Uh, it absolutely could if they go through with it

 

[Catbone]

You do have the estrogen for it

My wifes boyfriend agrees

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

And there's the crux. Sex vs gender. 2 different concepts at play here. Just ask a hermaphrodite or intersex individual how they are supposed to be "identified". Hint: it's not in their genitals.

That fact that there is a birth defect in .00002 of people means that there’s no such thing as gender is said only by people with a certain political leaning and agenda

 

[peaygolf]

Lady Vols couldn’t beat the VN all stars let alone 5 stars

They could if they had 5 star "guys" playing as women

 

[Glitch]

CNN literally stated it as fact in an article that “gender cannot be known at birth.” Uh... that’s only true if you are an absolute idiot. But I guess many are

I have never claimed to be an expert on anything. However, I am willing to bet the farm that I could tell you which babies are male and which are female 99.9999% of the time. I've got a fail proof system and a flow chart.

1. Does the baby have a penis and testicles?
If yes, child is a male.
If no, child is a female.

That will get you an accurate diagnosis 99.9999% of the time.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I have never claimed to be an expert on anything. However, I am willing to bet the farm that I could tell you which babies are male and which are female 99.9999% of the time. I've got a fail proof system and a flow chart.

1. Does the baby have a penis and testicles?
If yes, child is a male.
If no, child is a female.

That will get you an accurate diagnosis 99.9999% of the time.

 

[UTMVol76]

And there's the crux. Sex vs gender. 2 different concepts at play here. Just ask a hermaphrodite or intersex individual how they are supposed to be "identified". Hint: it's not in their genitals.

Can a hermaphrodite procreate any way they want to?

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Next level investment –

This is an article from Tulsa World, the 2nd largest newspaper in Oklahoma, covering our hiring of Josh Heupel. In the article posted this morning the OU Rivals writer tried to show the human side of Josh. This writer in Tulsa World tries to convey the enormous nature of the new job Josh had just accepted. jmo.

The initial reaction to Tennessee hiring Josh Heupel: Good for him.

Heupel, who long served Oklahoma’s football program before eventually becoming a head coach, gets his crack at the big time. Tennessee may have some issues currently, but it is big time.

Neyland Stadium and Rocky Top. Revenue, administrative commitment and recruiting resources typical of the SEC. Rabid fan base.

The secondary reaction to Heupel’s hiring, after a few minutes of consideration: Good luck to him.

This is a rare case of a Bob Stoops assistant taking a very big swing. Heupel had better make solid contact.

Mike Stoops, Mark Mangino and Kevin Wilson all left OU for football jobs at basketball schools: Arizona, Kansas and Indiana. That’s low-grade Power 5 pressure.

Mike Leach took Texas Tech and eventually wound up at Washington State and Mississippi State. Tech and Mississippi State are into football, but not on Tennessee’s level.

Jay Norvell is head coach at Nevada. Chuck Long was head coach at San Diego State. Not exactly Alabama and Ohio State.

Brent Venables hasn’t been a head coach, but he did leave Stoops’ nest to run Clemson’s defense nine years ago. That’s a task, but still if the stuff hits the fan at Clemson it’s on Dabo Swinney to mop up, not Venables.

The only Stoops staffers to do what Heupel has done here were Kevin Sumlin, who left to take over Houston and eventually landed at Texas A&M, and Bo Pelini. Stoops’ old Youngstown pal took over Nebraska four years after his one season on OU’s staff in 2004.

Pelini wasn’t Tom Osborne, but he did turn things around on the heels of Bill Callahan’s bleak run. He won nine or 10 games in all seven seasons with the Huskers.

He was also a tough fit in terms of temperament, going on tirades during or after games, which turned off fans and eventually the administration that fired him.

This is what concerns me about Heupel at Tennessee. Temperament.

Not temper. Heupel isn’t a stack-blower. He was around Stoops enough to digest the significance of decorum and chain of command.

Heupel will answer to the same athletic director at Tennessee he did at UCF, Danny White having hired him at both places. Heupel professed his admiration for and loyalty to White the last time I saw him after UCF’s 2019 loss at Tulsa. That fit is snug.

It’s more the job itself, and all it entails.

A coach can’t clock in at a place like Tennessee, spend 12 hours on football, maybe make a call to compliance or academic affairs and call it good. He can’t play one round of golf or make one fan appreciation appearance every six months.

This is the fan/booster base that torpedoed Greg Schiano’s hiring four years ago. That’s next-level investment.

Now Vols Nation expects the new guy to fix a program that has more losing seasons than winning ones since 2010, plus get the program through whatever damage results from NCAA recruiting violations allegedly committed under Jeremy Pruitt’s watch. They not only want action, they want a piece of it.

So the new guy has to be a sharp football coach, and he must stop by every boat that docks on the Tennessee River outside Neyland and be all of these things at once — optimistic, charismatic, cunning and convincing. That’s a lot of boats, and a lot of traits.

That’s a lot of pressure, something Heupel got a dose of as OU quarterback once and a gulp of as OU play-caller several years later. He got another spoon full at UCF, his being head coach and all.

Not like this, though.

Heupel’s offensive mind should translate to Knoxville. He’ll move the ball in the SEC. He’ll recruit fine. It would be hard not to. He needs to hire well on defense. We’ll see about that.

It’s the peripheral job demands I wonder about, the people-pleasing. Not that Heupel is unpleasant, but anyone who has ever covered him realizes his head is in the playbook a lot more than the guest book.

If he wins 10 or 11 games the next few seasons, the demands diminish. More likely, given the clouds over Neyland, he’ll win 6 or 7.

Realistically, Heupel will have to answer to a lot of folks wearing orange and white checkers. The reality of that, of what he’s gotten himself into, sinks in starting today.

Good for him, but also good luck to him.

 

[volbeast33]

The NCAA is officially the most ignorant organization in sports.
I want several High School 5 stars to try and play Women's college basketball.......see what happens. Nobody can stop them.

Go on twitter and read all the people that think women and men are equal in sports..... they don’t even realize women play with a smaller basketball....my daughter played on a top ten to fifteen team in the state...... they would scrimmage the boys baseball team and could barely get a shot off.

 

[delfonic]

That fact that there is a birth defect in .00002 of people means that there’s no such thing as gender is said only by people with a certain political leaning and agenda

Klinefelter syndrome happens in 2 out of every 1000 male births.
Turner syndrome happens in between 1 out of every 2000 and 1 out of every 5000 female births.

That's only two of the genetic conditions that can affect a lot of the designations we use to classify males and females.

I think your .00002 number might originate from the Institute of Bovine Scatology.

 

[Glitch]

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[delfonic]

I also think it's hilarious that folks in here are trying to preempt some sort "men playing women's sports" scenario that, aside from Andy Kaufman, has never been a problem.

The actual issue to solve is folks who are born women who either naturally produce much higher levels of male hormones or who are currently transitioning. That issue is a lot more nuanced and no one wants any part of trying tot tackle it despite it being a much more realistic scenario granting competitive advantage.

I knew Nera White. She was an incredible athlete. She was not an average lady. I am not sure how she would be viewed today.

 

[delfonic]

Proof.

 

[Devo182]

Why do some people move from one place to another because they hate where they live but when they get to the new place they want to make it like where they just left.

Native Americans be like

 

[volbeast33]

They could if they had 5 star "guys" playing as women

That’s what we need to do..... get ahead of the curve..... bring on a bunch of dudes and dominate for 10 years.

 

[engineerVOL]

Serious question. How does one prove that they are female and can participate in women's sports?

Read the second sentence of the second paragraph.

 

[Devo182]

That fact that there is a birth defect in .00002 of people means that there’s no such thing as gender is said only by people with a certain political leaning and agenda

There is such a thing, but it is not the same as sex. A common mistake. Gender is not biological sex/genitalia.

 

[scvolfan7]

That fact that there is a birth defect in .00002 of people means that there’s no such thing as gender is said only by people with a certain political leaning and agenda

No it’s said by people that know the difference between the words “sex” and “gender”.

I think it’s all BS and a waste of time, but those two words do have different meanings

 

[volbeast33]

I also think it's hilarious that folks in here are trying to preempt some sort "men playing women's sports" scenario that, aside from Andy Kaufman, has never been a problem.

The actual issue to solve is folks who are born women who either naturally produce much higher levels of male hormones or who are currently transitioning. That issue is a lot more nuanced and no one wants any part of trying tot tackle it despite it being a much more realistic scenario granting competitive advantage.

I knew Nera White. She was an incredible athlete. She was not an average lady. I am not sure how she would be viewed today.

It became an issue in Connecticut high school sports....robbed a female of becoming the first to win three straight state titles.... A male decided he wanted to run as a female and won state after finishing near the bottom as a male the year before..... The following year.... another male ticked that the male was competing as a female so he decided to compete as a female..... They finished one and two that year.

As for your other question..... sports should be tightly regulated or completely unregulated..... if you are born with too much testosterone or both sex parts then sorry you don’t compete.

 

[Devo182]

Oof the TOS reactions to Wade twins CBs switching from us to UK is so . Been obvious for weeks and the one kid is simply not a QB. 2 spots to get 1 player. G'head Wildcats.

 

[Devo182]

We should start a betting pool for when we get our first commitment. I got dibs on ESD.

 

[Kristy*]

Go on twitter and read all the people that think women and men are equal in sports..... they don’t even realize women play with a smaller basketball....my daughter played on a top ten to fifteen team in the state...... they would scrimmage the boys baseball team and could barely get a shot off.

Nobody in their right minds think men and women are athletically equal. If we were, there would be no need for segregated sports. There are some women who are more athletic and talented than some men. It is the exception, not the rule. Allowing men to play women's sports diminishes the purpose of Title 9, which was to allow women the opportunity for fair competition. Men have bigger hearts, bigger lungs, bigger bones, and higher bone density than women. Taking hormones doesn't negate any of those facts.