Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[HankHill]

There is plenty of rhyme and reason. In order:

Winning program/lots of prior stability
Losing program/lots of recent turnover
Winning program/lots of prior stability
Losing program/lots of recent turnover
Winning program/lots of prior stability
Losing program/lots of prior turnover

When is the last coordinator that took over a losing P5 program with multiple coaches over the prior decade and it worked out? I'm sure there are exceptions, but that's the rule.

Youre limiting your options to the hypothesis to basically schools like Vanderbilt, Kansas, etc.

And lol at even having an excuse for muschamp failing at UF

 

[HankHill]

That would have been an excellent case study. I think he'd have been a lot more successful at uga and Kirby would have been a lot worse here.

I am really curious as to why you think that

 

[VolByLaw]

 

[franklinpence]

For those without the time, the cliffs are:

- Malachi Wideman is a non-factor / likely transfer candidate
- Recruiting likely to rank outside top 15

According to Michigan guy:
- Milton lost his confidence at Michigan
- Milton is a capable runner
- He has full faith Milton can still reach his very high potential

Wideman info per an @HoleInTheRoof question.

I like the podcast, but the host needs to do a little more prep. Josh (I think) was a much better host. At least sounded like he understood the game and paid attention to the person he was interviewing.

 

[yourstruly23]

Oof

 

[InVOLuntary]

Anybody else gonna be watching TV in 20 minutes to find out if cities are going to burn a little or a lot?

Celebratory riot or disgruntled riot.

 

[franklinpence]

 

[butchna]

Celebratory riot or disgruntled riot.

Yes

 

[jave36]

Youre limiting your options to the hypothesis to basically schools like Vanderbilt, Kansas, etc.

And lol at even having an excuse for muschamp failing at UF

True on muschamp, it and UF don't fit the hypothesis perfectly.

 

[HankHill]

And not with 5 stars...

Jsyk It’s actually possible to say two players/coaches are good. You don’t have to drag one of them to build up the other.

 

[jave36]

I am really curious as to why you think that

Same reason I think Peyton manning and Tom Brady would have failed miserably if Cleveland had drafted them. The team/program you walk into matters a lot more than people give it credit for. It's a lot easier to have success if you walk into a winning program. Not that coaching is irrelevant. Kirby wouldn't have been as bad as Pruitt, might still be employed even. But I don't think any first time HC can succeed at a P5 program that is in the dumps when they take over.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

I am really curious as to why you think that

Kirby has achieved nothing Richt hasn't achieved except play for a national title, and Richt arguably would have had two shots at one (2002, 2012) if we had the playoff format that allowed Kirby to play for one.

Meanwhile, Pruitt, while demonstrating some shocking ineptitude as a head coach, was working with a lot less talent. Imagine if he'd had a quarterback that was even serviceable (Maurer and Shrout clearly weren't it, either). Imagine if he'd had the 2015 UT squad.

I'm not saying it's definitive one way or the other, but it would be a fascinating case study.

 

[mikemist]

I guess Drew Gilbert is a pitcher now

 

[butchna]

Same reason I think Peyton manning and Tom Brady would have failed miserably if Cleveland had drafted them. The team/program you walk into matters a lot more than people give it credit for. It's a lot easier to have success if you walk into a winning program. Not that coaching is irrelevant. Kirby wouldn't have been as bad as Pruitt, might still be employed even. But I don't think any first time HC can succeed at a P5 program that is in the dumps when they take over.

Belichick had a losing record as a HC when Brady joined the Patriots. The Colts had the first pick of the draft for a reason. A great QB elevates the winning level of the franchise...there’s no coincidence.

 

[UTMVol76]

There is plenty of rhyme and reason. In order:

Winning program/lots of prior stability
Losing program/lots of recent turnover
Winning program/lots of prior stability
Losing program/lots of recent turnover
Winning program/lots of prior stability
Losing program/lots of prior turnover

When is the last coordinator that took over a losing P5 program with multiple coaches over the prior decade and it worked out? I'm sure there are exceptions, but that's the rule.

Disagree on Mullen @ Miss St and Muschamp @ Florida

 

[SpringBokVol]

I guess Drew Gilbert is a pitcher now

How tall is he ? Looks like 5-8 but he can sling it

 

[mikemist]

How tall is he ? Looks like 5-8 but he can sling it

yeah he's short, can't speak well to our pitching staff lol

 

[mikemist]

damn TTU just tied it up in the 8th, 2-2

 

[engineerVOL]

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[drvenner]

First post in a long time. Here it goes:

Boobytrap spelled backwards is partyboob.

Also, Go Vols.

Welcome back. I would much rather you partyboob this forum than the other way around.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I’m glad to see us arguing again. It was pretty boring in here for a while.

 

[jave36]

Belichick had a losing record as a HC when Brady joined the Patriots. The Colts had the first pick of the draft for a reason. A great QB elevates the winning level of the franchise...there’s no coincidence.

Both organizations had intentionally been laying the foundation for a successful QB.

 

[drvenner]

Ah I wish I could have been tuned in to hear Cattleman give Ainge an earful.

Cattleman was an instant station change from me. Could not stomach his vitriol for even a few seconds

 

[LoudOrange]

Cattleman was an instant station change from me. Could not stomach his vitriol for even a few seconds

He use to rag on Fulmer in the 90's, shows how much he knows. He was known as "Small Mike" then.

 

[HankHill]

True on muschamp, it and UF don't fit the hypothesis perfectly.

Tom Herman, Jim Harbaugh, James Franklin,n Jimbo, Charlie strong at Texas, Scott Frost at Nebraska, Chip Kelly were all looked at as grand slam hires with head coaching experience and none have worked out like they hoped and some have just been flat out disasters.

Then you got Florida “settled” for Mullen, Ed Orgeron was laughed at, Kirby was just another saban assistant,

Heupel, harsin, or Beamer? They are all just a coin flip. It’s probably more likely all 3 of them fail vs any of them really succeeding based on history.