Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[MoCo_Vol]

Better question, who of these transfers do we think has the biggest impact this season? (Excluding the QBs)
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I think Payton or Mitchell will have the biggest impact -this- year.

I think Terry, Turnage, or Mohan may have the best careers while at UT. All have at least 3 years of eligibility left.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

65% and 170 yds passing per game. Give me 65% and 300+

Exactly..anybody can load up that stat throwing passes that don't travel five yards..even freakin JG could do that, even though he even had trouble completing those.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Not for you though. Might make @OGbabyaviVol a little jealous.

She had nice legs

 

[JCVol00]

idc who the qb is as long as its not hooker, he looked the worst during the spring and I genuinely cant get excited about the thought of him being qb1

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I would prefer he never play a down at bama and went undrafted.

I hope he rots there.

 

[Revived2002]

idc who the qb is as long as its not hooker, he looked the worst during the spring and I genuinely cant get excited about the thought of him being qb1

I lean in favor of Milton, with Bailey second. But I trust the coaches and will pull for whoever they send out there.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Yep. He can kiss our collective arses.

Whoever it is defending that turd has to be the biggest cuck in the world or just a contrarion troll..

Whoever it is, I already figured tha out because I don't see their pathetic BS.

 

[SoilVol]

Me personally I'd like to see Hooker or Milton start this year, not because I don't think Bailey can do well here.

But I would love to get a RS year for Bailey so that when he takes over next year he's got 3-4 left to run the show. Cause Hooker only has one year left anyway, and Milton enters his 4th year in college. So he could be done after this year too, either leaving for the NFL draft (best case for us actually) or graduate transferring out.

Dream scenario?
Hooker: 1-and-drafted this year
Milton: sits this year, 1-and-drafted next year
Bailey: redshirt this year, sits next year, 2-3 years to run the show, then drafted.

 

[Devo182]

Exactly, and I'm not holding it against Bailey. I'm sure he helped them as much as they helped him, but when someone is throwing the ball around the yard (especially in HS) to that kind of talent it takes the edge off how impressive the stats are.

Which is why so many will say HS stats aren't overly important. It's more about evaluating the player...skills...context.

It feels like he was appropriately ranked...~top 100 player. He just needs time to develop in college, same as most 4 stars do. JG, Ainge, Crompton, Dobbs, Dormady, etc. Bray feels like the closest thing to an exception and even he wasn't completely ready off the bat. And he was just 20-30 spots ahead of Bailey's ranking.

He just needs time, as most guys in his recruiting range do. He'll be fine imo.

 

[MwB]

Exactly, and I'm not holding it against Bailey. I'm sure he helped them as much as they helped him, but when someone is throwing the ball around the yard (especially in HS) to that kind of talent it takes the edge off how impressive the stats are.

But you are holding it against Bailey. Bailey has had little opportunity in college playing in an atrocious offense. Interesting enough Bailey had more TD passes (4) than Keyton, White and Gilbert had recieving TDs combined (3). That trio also only had 193 more recieving yards than Bailey had passing yards in limited time.

I know here on Volnation we like to disparage our own but there are a lot of HS QBs that have had loaded rosters that did not have the prolific success Bailey had while in HS.

 

[ob79]

I disagree respectfully. I think Bailey just needs development but it doesn’t mean they don’t like him. And I hear Hooker may be ahead...

just passing info along

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Which is why so many will say HS stats aren't overly important. It's more about evaluating the player...skills...context.

It feels like he was appropriately ranked...~top 100 player. He just needs time to develop in college, same as most 4 stars do. JG, Ainge, Crompton, Dobbs, Dormady, etc. Bray feels like the closest thing to an exception and even he wasn't completely ready off the bat. And he was just 20-30 spots ahead of Bailey's ranking.

He just needs time, as most guys in his recruiting range do. He'll be fine imo.

Agreed, with a good staff and team around him you could trot him out and win 6-8 games I think. But if you give him the time he needs to really step to the next level then it's closer to that 10-12 wins. I just hope he is willing to put down roots and stick it out. I'm hoping the willingness to stay here this year is proof that he wants to play for UT and not just play anywhere.

 

[Devo182]

Better question, who of these transfers do we think has the biggest impact this season? (Excluding the QBs)
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No idea, but it really needs to be Mitchell or Mohan. If our transfer LBs disappoint, that would worry me about the defense.

 

[Glitch]

I called ya a Zollicofer! Which could be taken good or bad, i'm not sure tbh.

I am going to error on the side of caution and be offended.

 

[Devo182]

He's played one season with an inept offensive minded coach in a covid year while he was deprived of a spring camp.

Fromm played for a smaller school. Went 7-3 as a senior with two D1 recievers. Didn't win state. Bailey did while playing a national schedule. Hardly comparable.

Yeah but Fromm was an elite white guy...

 

[KPT_VFL]

just passing info along

Is there a particular reason why? Just curious. I’m not ready to give up on him but it’s basically two staffs that have now said the same thing. He was easily the best QB on roster last year just never got the shot he deserved.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

But you are holding it against Bailey. Bailey has had little opportunity in college playing in an atrocious offense. Interesting enough Bailey had more TD passes (4) than Keyton, White and Gilbert had recieving TDs combined (3). That trio also only had 193 more recieving yards than Bailey had passing yards in limited time.

I know here on Volnation we like to disparage our own but there are a lot of HS QBs that have had loaded rosters that did not have the prolific success Bailey had while in HS.

I'm saying any QB with that sort of talent around them will have impressive career stats. The thing that's more concerning for me about Bailey, and one reason I'd like to see him RS is that the 14-2 season was the exception. In no other season had he thrown for 3k yards or 30 TDs, but in that final year the numbers blew up. The team's record in his first 3 years there was 14-20, and then in the senior season they go 14-2 and last year back to 3-8...

Seems like it was a fluke a bit. Pointing out how poorly his former teammates are doing in college would just make this more of a concern too. As Devo said I just think Bailey needs more time to develop and with last year being what it was I almost feel like he's basically an incoming freshmen this year.

 

[rjd970]

The only thing I know is when CJH says he is going to play the best QB I have a lot more faith in that being done than when CJP said it.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I am going to error on the side of caution and be offended.

is this a pout?

 

[Devo182]

I don't care who wins the QB competition as long as whoever it is wins games. I just want to win on the field. We could field a team of walk-ons, and if we were winning, I'd have no complaints.

Okay, maybe a few complaints, but I'd be happy.

100%

Biggest worry is maybe we just don't have the guy yet. If 1 guy can't separate himself from this pack, then it begins to get a little worrisome. None from the group have succeeded at a high level in college yet, so we just have to hope one has that in their future.

At this point, just putting faith into Hype and his offense. I'm not convinced it requires a great QB to run, as Gabriel seemed to show.

 

[butchna]

understand the sentiment, but i think he earned those accolades in spite of his situation here, not because of it. he had a bagman for a position coach, after all. i'm bummed he left, but my feelings about all of it pretty much end there.

Not his first season.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bailey gonna be playing for Lincoln Riley after this season.

More likely Geoff Collins.

 

[butchna]

Bailey gonna be playing for Lincoln Riley after this season.

If he left for playing time, you’d hope he’d research better. Caleb Williams waiting out Spencer Rattler and Malachi Nelson on the horizon. Riley definitely has a TYPE.

 

[butchna]

They're learning what VN always knew. Trey is a special player. I really hope he just tears it up in the league, and above all else, stays healthy.

They kept coming at me on Twitter on draft day when I issued that last line…”Quentin Nelson level.”

 

[Johnny Majors' Ghost]

If he left for playing time, you’d hope he’d research better. Caleb Williams waiting out Spencer Rattler and Malachi Nelson on the horizon. Riley definitely has a TYPE.

Oklahoma is a destination spot for UT transfers. Bailey may be more of a Leach type QB however.