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While we are healthier than we've been since week 1.
Given what appears to be a bought in coaching staff, fans and locker room since week 1....us hitting on all cylinders with at 99.9 % strength across the board, it's going to be ugly by the first half !
There will be nothing but OW in the stands by end of game !
We keeping beer barrel regardless !
The entire Volquest staff picked the good guys.

BRENT'S PICK
Tennessee 31 Kentucky 23
AUSTIN'S PICK
Tennessee 34 Kentucky 21
ROB'S PICK
Tennessee 34-Kentucky 23
BEN'S PICK
Tennessee 34, Kentucky 27
ERIC'S PICK
Tennessee 31, Kentucky 17
 
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Obviously pike place market. Across the street from the fish throwing booth is a little vendor who cooks the freshly caught salmon. Super cheap, super good. Original starbucks is there too. Place called Beechers is a great cheese shop, good souvenir to bring back. Pike place is the only MUST EXPERIENCE in my opinion.

Space needle, duh, but only if visibility is decent.

Kerry Park is a great view, but again, only of visibility is decent.

El Gaucho is an awesome steakhouse, great steak but the real highlight is the Caesar salad made from scratch at your table. Best I ever had.

Obviously a Seahawks game if they're at home. Closest nfl stadium to a college experience.

All the piers at the waterfront, kind of touristy but some fun stuff there.

Not sure if it's still there, but they have an impressive Chihuly exhibit, if you're into art. The Seattle art museum is pretty good too.
Appreciate it! Seahawks are on bye week but I’m gonna go to Oregon/Washington on Saturday!
 
Healing doesn't come from justice or the justice system. That is something that has been revealed in study after study of families who fought for and got the death penalty. In followups they explain a temporary relief at conviction and even one post-execution but as time passes they realize that it did nothing whatsoever to help them heal. Many feel empty and directionless post-execution -- they thought it would fix things and when it doesn't they become even more despondent. The problems that were there before remain and no amount of punishment can bring back the lost loved one.

Healing is an internal process. It's something we give ourselves and something we learn to accept. And for many of us it's based in our spiritual beliefs and the concept of forgiveness. In terms of healing, forgiveness is often far more important to the person who feels wronged than it is for the person who did wrong. When we withold forgiveness the only harm we do is to ourselves. The old saying about holding onto anger, grudges, and resentments being akin to swallowing poison and hoping the other person will die is quite apt.

That all said, the justice system is not there to right the wrongs done to us personally. It's there to protect the rules of society, adjudicate disputes, and otherwise see that the if one party violates said laws and rules he or she pays the price for that via money, jail time, service, or any other combination therof. Our feelings as victims or as the survivors of victims is irrelevant to justice. Justice belongs to the state so to speak. Alleged lawbreaking is prosecuted in the name of the state or commonwealth not in the name of the victim and the state sees itself as the party that has been harmed as it's laws have been broken.

You can flog, beat, fine, or do whatever nasty fantasy you can come up with to someone accused of a crime and it won't do a damn thing to help anyone. It's not even justice but revenge.
We obviously disagree. And your studies are totally discounting the experiences of myself and the people I know with how we feel about justice being served because a person chose to drink and drive and kill our loved ones. It absolutely helped with healing when it happened. It absolutely caused more pain and suffering when it did not. No, it did not cause all the pain and suffering to go away or bring them back so if that is what the studies were trying to prove then that is true.
The rules of society should be there to protect the rights of the people in the society not just the community as a whole. That is why our justice system feels broken to people who are victims of criminals. Justice may belong to the state, but the state is supposed to belong to the people. We are not a communist country yet.
People don’t need nasty fantasies of revenge if the judicial system is serving its purpose of protecting the rights of the citizens and carrying out justice.....giving to every one what is his due.
 
Strange. Not sure what he's seeing. KY's offense is extremely pedestrian, Levis is terrible, and MSU who runs a similar offense to us just demolished them. I'm not sure what he's thinking. The only thing KY has in this game is the QB run if we haven't fixed that. But Levis isn't Corral or B.Y. KY's offense is ranked 92nd in total offense. They're not good.


i agree with you
 
I Iove a good redemption story. I want to see what he does from here. If he spends the rest of his life trying his best to help make sure this doesn't happen to somebody else then I will feel a lot differently toward him.

He doesn't deserve death or life imprisonment. He deserves more than a slap on the wrist, let's see what he and his lawyers do. He should be able to work again when he has paid his debt. He should then use that platform to help put a stop to this evil plague. If he could just be the difference in one person not taking another life through evil disregard for others...then he will have done an amazing thing.

I know a lot of people don't think that matters, but I saw a MADD sponsored thing in HS that stopped me from doing it. This lady talked to us about what happened to her daughter, and they even somehow brought in the car that she was in when a drunk driver hit her at over a hundred MPH. She also showed slides of the wreck...it scared the crap out of me and that is the reason I never drove drunk. I could never forget that no matter how jacked up I was.

So..no I don't want Ruggs to die..I want him to help fix this.
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Yes and no. What he did was stupid and irresponsible and I’m sure he knows that and deeply regrets the poor decision he made. However I’ve made plenty of very poor choices and could easily be the one that caused an accident. I’m sure alot of people on this board have drivin very fast, texted and drove, drank a few and drove, plenty of other things that endangered you and potentially someone elses life. We were just a lot more fortunate than Ruggs. Thousands of people every day make poor decisions driving that results in thousands of severe accidents and deaths

My heart breaks for the girls family and friends that life just got flipped upside down. For the girl that just had her life ended far too early bcuz of someone else’s poor choice. Hopefully she is saved

However I still feel compassion for Ruggs, as a senior in HS his best friend died in a car accident. He blamed himself for it even tho he wasn’t even there. After every TD he held up 3 to honor him and then created shirts and the profits went to feed hungry children in NV. I’m sure he’s going through a lot mentally and spiritually. I don’t believe he left his house that day with the intent to kill someone and love and compassion is what he needs

People make poor decisions a lot, even more so when they’re young and those poor decisions only get worse when alcohol is involved.

So while I think what he did was stupid, selfish and irresponsible I can’t sit here and say things like I’d like to watch him burn or id light a match when I’ve done similar things.
Who has actually called for his death? I recall someone saying it should have been him that died rather than the girl. I don't disagree with that statement since it was his stupid actions that caused the accident. And if the family of the young girl wish him death right now, I could certainly understand why. If put in the same situation myself where it was my loved one who died in such a horrible, tragic way, I can't guarantee that my anger wouldn't drive me to want to do great harm to the person who caused it. But most of the posting is about him being properly punished.

I agree we all screw up. That's just life. But the greater the screw up, the more the consequences you must face. Ruggs deserves to face some severe consequences. Not death, but certainly severe. He made stupid choices that led to the death of a young woman. That young woman deserves justice.
 
You are correct. But Jesus routinely chose the worst people to teach, help, and as his disciples. Pretty sure he hates the sin and not the person. All sin is equal in his eyes. And Jesus himself was killed for being a criminal. I don’t hate Ruggs. I hate what he did. And I’m not going to judge him because I am not without sin.
You are correct about Jesus. He hates sin and loves people enough to die so that their sins can be forgiven, and they do not have to receive justice for those sins when they die.
I don’t hate anyone and hope all receive forgiveness for their sins no matter if it’s a white lie or murder. I hope Ruggs receives forgiveness for all of his sins including this.
I am not judging his sins or determining his eternal destination. I am saying that he needs to be held accountable in the here and now for what he did just as we all should be.
 
Who has actually called for his death? I recall someone saying it should have been him that died rather than the girl. I don't disagree with that statement since it was his stupid actions that caused the accident. And if the family of the young girl wish him death right now, I could certainly understand why. If put in the same situation myself where it was my loved one who died in such a horrible, tragic way, I can't guarantee that my anger wouldn't drive me to want to do great harm to the person who caused it. But most of the posting is about him being properly punished.

I agree we all screw up. That's just life. But the greater the screw up, the more the consequences you must face. Ruggs deserves to face some severe consequences. Not death, but certainly severe. He made stupid choices that led to the death of a young woman. That young woman deserves justice.
Justice would be chaining him up in an old jalopy and setting the whole mess on fire.
 
I know he watches all the games so I’m curious why he thinks Kentucky will have success running that ball on us. Our run defense against non mobile QB’s has been fantastic, Kentucky doesn’t have that nor do they have a competent passing attack. I think this is the type of offense that our defense would thrive against.
I think he probably assumes the success will be because of Levis running the ball..which is a fair assumption...we haven't stopped one yet.
 
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