Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[rocytop2624]

Jalen Tolbert for USA made our DB's look like FCS level kids and he was barely a top 3000 ranked kid out of HS.

He will be in the NFL that's the kids we need to find.

 

[SweetasSoda]

To reduce seats?

I said it’s sad that fans are not filling up the stadiums anymore.

 

[BigSteve09]

I posted this in the FF but it will probably get better traction and discussion here:

Don't know how many people watched the Vandy @ Ole Miss game last week. Figured this would be a good thread to compile notes and thoughts beyond the obvious WGWTFA.

There is only so much football left this season. This is the last regular week of football, rivalry week. This is the last game that many guys will be suiting up in orange & white. Let's put a little prep and discussion into it.

A few things that jump out ahead of watching the game:
* Ole Miss is probably about as similar to Tennessee as the Vandy defense will have seen this year. They got a little taste last week of the tempo.
* The final score was Ole Miss 31, Vanderbilt 17. The spread was Ole Miss -36.5, so what happened? Was Ole Miss that limited?
* Vanderbilt considers Ole Miss a rival as well. Not as storied as our rivalry, but it's not like they came out flat for this game. It was also their shot at a statement game, playing rival ranked Ole Miss in their house.

I had one TV on this game last week, but I didn't get to peek at it as much as I thought I would. I was honestly expecting to see the "TOUCHDOWN" graphic 20 times and just be able to keep up that way. Not so.

Watching the replay here:


NOTES:

SPECIAL TEAMS:
Vandy kicked the opening kickoff out of bounds, Ole Miss had a big kickoff return and broke a long punt return. Velus could eat. Vandy does have a decent kicker.

OLE MISS FIRST HALF VS VANDY:
The Ole Miss tempo and quick pace seemed to keep the Vandy defense on their heels early. Ole Miss scored in their opening drive in just over a minute and 5 plays. The second Ole Miss drive was damn near in the red zone again in 3 plays. Ole Miss scored on their fourth drive in 3 minutes. They got inside the Vandy 10 with ease on their 5th drive, but Corral tried to scramble for a TD on 4th down and got stood up. The Vandy defense started the game bringing 1-2 extra guys every play. Ole Miss WR were getting behind their secondary as well. After the first 3 Ole Miss drives they dropped their secondary back to limit the big play, kept an eye on Corral, and surrendered the middle of the field.
Corral missed some easy throws early. Remember when Ole Miss wasn't connecting on passes vs us? Corral missed 3 TD passes in the first half.
Starting in the 2nd Quarter, Vandy decided that Ole Miss was NOT going to beat them passing. This seemed to bother Corral. Ole Miss's best plays were running plays. Corral continued to inexplicably look for the bomb, but Vandy was staying over the top, limiting the big play.

VANDERILT OFFENSE & QB WRIGHT:
Vanderbilt came out running the option, QB draws, and lots of reads.
Ole Miss LBs were attacking and disruptive. Vandy did a lot of option, play action, reads in the backfield. Ole Miss was throwing their timing off or outright disrupting the play. Seems like every play their brought pressure ruined Vandy's plans.
Vandy finally found success in their run game in their third offensive drive. The sooner that QB Wright handed it off, the more yards they got.
Wright looks like he should have played for Georgia Tech 5 years ago. His best passing plays are play action. He looks to get to the edge on play action or on his QB runs. He favors his speed to the sideline. He looks for the 1-2 receivers that are coming back along the sideline, or he sprints for the marker. He did convert some 3rd and 4th downs with his legs.
Vandy OL gets good push on running plays. Vandy OL not great at pass pro.
Wright - not a great arm. Vandy came out in the second half with the intent to throw their way back into the game. Wright must have gone 3 for 11, this is not an exaggeration. Their first drive of the 2nd half was also made difficult by 2 more false starts, and at least 2 drops. 2 more contested break-ups and a near interception. Vanderbilt's passing game just does not work. They moved the ball on the ground - either by designed runs or Wright scrambling to the edge.

VANDERBILT PENALTIES:
Vandy shot themselves in the foot at least once on every single offensive drive. Especially in key moments (3rd downs or deep in Ole Miss territory on a successful drive). False starts, snapping the ball too early. Their timing was off. The stadium at Ole Miss wasn't even full, wasn't loud AT ALL, and Ole Miss wasn't doing anything extraordinary to create these issues for Vanderbilt. If our fans show up to support the boys, and get loud, it will create issues for Vandy.

MATT CORRAL:
Corral was looking for the big play a lot, especially early. I think that Hooker will be more poised and decisive and find the open man quickly. Corral looked to bomb it on 85% of his passing plays, it seemed, if it wasn't there he would take off. Vandy defense started limiting the big play. Ole Miss offense turned into Corral scrambling or rushing plays.
Don't know if Corral was having an off night, or was pressing because of other QB performances that day, but he was PRESSING. If that game is played in a vacuum, he could have led an offense that scored on every drive.


HALFTIME:
Ole Miss 24, Vandy 9. Ole Miss could have easily had 28 or 35 points. Corral was holding Ole Miss back in the 1st half. Again, I think he was pressing for Heisman love or just because that's his style. His eyes were 20+ yards downfield on every play, then it wasn't there, he got to scootin. His mid-range throws were almost all contested, off-target, or completed in very tight windows. I think that Vanderbilt will repeat this with us - attempt to limit the big play, hope that our QB panics or makes a mistake. Literally the only drive in the 1st half that Vandy stopped Ole Miss was because of two offensive penalties on Ole Miss. Every other drive they had their way, ESPECIALLY on the ground.

2ND HALF NOTES:
Vandy ate up 7+ minutes on their first drive of the 2nd half. Ole Miss came out sloppy/rusty. Looked like Ole Miss wanted to pack it up and get to Miss St. Vandy was content eating clock and running the ball (probably out of necessity). The second half was ugly, terrible football. After Ole Miss scored (running) to go up 31-9 both teams went boring/vanilla. Vanerbilt was happy to eat clock and keep it close. Corral went back to trying to bomb it to finish the game. Stats padder. Tried to force another late TD pass and got picked off. Could have easily capped the drive off with a rushing score.

FINAL STATS:
* Matt Corral was 27/36 for 326 yards, 2 TD, 1 Int
* Vandy had 454 total yards, 213 rushing - but only got in the endzone once
* Vandy had nearly 39 minutes of Time of Possession (whatever)
* Ole Miss averaged like 7 yards per play


SPARE NOTES:
* Ole Miss LB Campbell is their everything on defense. He was a transfer. I wish that we could find a guy like him in the portal this offseason.

FINAL THOUGHTS (TL;DR):
This game could look and play out exactly like the Missouri and South Carolina games if we want it to. It looks like Vandy will attempt to limit the big play. This will open up the middle of the field for mid-range completions and especially the run game. Ole Miss could have had 5 rushing TDs in the first half, but Kiffin/Corral were pressing for stats. I think that Hooker could have a great game if he takes what's available and keeps the drive alive. Our RBs could have whatever kind of game that they want to have. Velus could see another TD on special teams. On defense, Vandy QB Wright will not move the ball passing. We have to bring pressure to disrupt their weird option/draw/read offense that they want to come out running. Loud crowd could disrupt their rhythm as well. If we do a better job connecting on big plays early, and utilizing the run, we should blow Vandy off the field quicker than Ole Miss did and keep them at arms length.

 

[Adam2014]

Hell of a thread in the football forum. Did you know that hiring Gary Patterson would have set Tennessee back?
Gary Patterson Would’ve Set Us Back

 

[johnfnkelly]

Hyatt hit a slump he will improve.

I'm confident he will.

He will be in the NFL that's the kids we need to find.

Agreed.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Yes and no. I agree to a point. WR are easier to find but there's still a difference between a 3 and 5 star. A 4.3 is a lot faster. Wingspan. Hand size. Strength. Etc..

Not all the time. I can give you plenty of examples of this. It also doesn’t matter as much in this scheme. Guys will develop and Tillman is a great example of it.

 

[PYSCHO]

Velus and Payton are both 4.3 guys and were 3*'s.

Hyatt was a 4.3 4* and can't catch a cold.

He has been under the weather

 

[ACvol3]

His stuff is fine. Nothing creepy about it. He also has a nice little family now, and I'm fairly certain that he is sorry for and trying to remove all history of those videos from the net. It seems he's atoned for his past sins, so to speak.

Also, my 5yo has learned a lot from his shows, she watches them a lot. His "schtick" annoyance wears off quickly and it's not annoying to me anymore.

Thanks Stevin

 

[Pridedad]

Speaking of him, whatever happened to that blackmail date from his lawyer?

Funny thing about bluffing......

Sometimes your opponent goes all in on you.

 

[johnfnkelly]

He has been under the weather

Yeah, he's had a case of the dropsies all season. Doesn't appear to be contagious though.

 

[BigSteve09]

So before Blippi (Stevin John is his actual.name) became huge this guy had a youtube channel that went by the name Steezy Grossman. He did "gross" videos. Wanna see something effed up...if you can still find it on the interwebs....look up Steezy Grossman Harlem Shake video. He has tried to have it wiped cleanly off the internet but you might be able to find. Warning though..if stuff grosses you out easily...don't watch it.

NO!! DONT DO IT!!

 

[itsme]

Jalen Tolbert for USA made our DB's look like FCS level kids and he was barely a top 3000 ranked kid out of HS.

He will make a GM look really smart for drafting him late. He made a few catches that were great.

 

[volbeast33]

Yes and no. I agree to a point. WR are easier to find but there's still a difference between a 3 and 5 star. A 4.3 is a lot faster. Wingspan. Hand size. Strength. Etc..

Guys are rated incorrectly this year due to covid limiting interactions….. the nfl top 10 wrs …. 2 are 4.3 or below…..4 4.4 guys…..1 4.5….. 2 4.56 or higher guys and 1 4.6 guy…. This guy is a tall 4.5 guy and productive on the field.

 

[volsfan_17]

Jalen Tolbert for USA made our DB's look like FCS level kids and he was barely a top 3000 ranked kid out of HS.

You mean the kid that kept pushing off every play to get separation? Should've been offensive pass interference at least twice. Not sticking up for Burrell, because we could use an improvement there, but he never had a chance on several of those.

 

[johnfnkelly]

You mean the kid that kept pushing off every play to get separation? Should've been offensive pass interference at least twice. Not sticking up for Burrell, because we could use an improvement there, but he never had a chance on several of those.

If they're letting them play then WB needs to adjust and match his physicality.

 

[Ryno14]

He will make a GM look really smart for drafting him late. He made a few catches that were great.

Think I’ve seen his name in the first and second round in some mocks.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Guys are rated incorrectly this year due to covid limiting interactions….. next of the top 10 wrs …. 2 are 4.3 or believe…..4 4.4 guys…..1 4.5….. 2 4.56 or higher guys and 1 4.6 guy…. This guy is a tall 4.5 guy and productive on the field.

Exactly this

Webb is one of the fastest risers in GA. After we offered him others followed……Michigan, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Louisville, Kentucky, UCF, Houston. Kid can play.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Not all the time. I can give you plenty of examples of this. It also doesn’t matter as much in this scheme. Guys will develop and Tillman is a great example of it.

Not every 2* is Tillman. Not every 5* is Julio

 

[mr.checkerboards]

NM

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Guys are rated incorrectly this year due to covid limiting interactions….. next of the top 10 wrs …. 2 are 4.3 or believe…..4 4.4 guys…..1 4.5….. 2 4.56 or higher guys and 1 4.6 guy…. This guy is a tall 4.5 guy and productive on the field.

We will see

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Not every 2* is Tillman. Not every 5* is Julio

Yeh we all know that



Very few 5’s are julio. Like very few.

There’s more stories of it from the other end actually. Tae Adams would agree.

 

[TheMagnificantOne]

This may be you one day @Enki_Amenra

Bettor turns $50 into $1.1 million with 15 leg parlay

Big

 

[VolNRaleighNC]

Saw thread in FF that this weekend will likely be last chance to get 100,000+. I am sad about it being the end of an era, but it’s also inevitable. Fitting 80-85k comfortably with nicer amenities and chair backs around the entire stadium will ultimately compete better with the at home experience. Most of the winning schools like Bama, LSU, and Ohio St with 100,000+ seats can’t even fill up anymore. Neyland can keep the same configuration and still appear like the majestic cathedral we love.

Not trying to be mean to anyone struggling with weight that attends games but damn, at the UGA game I sat next to a father and son that should have had to easily buy 4-6 seats for just themselves. No thanks. I’ll stay home and enjoy my view from the couch or recliner.

 

[butchna]

You mean the kid that kept pushing off every play to get separation? Should've been offensive pass interference at least twice. Not sticking up for Burrell, because we could use an improvement there, but he never had a chance on several of those.

Did notice the push-off…because they were NOTICEABLE!

 

[volbeast33]

Not trying to be mean to anyone struggling with weight that attends games but damn, at the UGA game I sat next to a father and son that should have had to easily buy 4-6 seats for just themselves. No thanks. I’ll stay home and enjoy my view from the couch or recliner.

Buck up….. I wouldn’t trade the stadium experience for the recliner.