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I mean...to be fair I think because of previous coaches recruits are in a "wait and see" with us still.

Lane Kiffin started his career here 7-5 we had momentum in recruiting and he bolted on us.

Derek Dooley started his career here 6-6, year two we took it on the chin with a brutal schedule and he went 5-7, year 3 did it again and lost games he shouldn't have then he was out.

Butch Jones started his career 5-7 and starts all the rar-rar, manages to back into a great QB in Dobbs, and struggles to let him play as the starter until year 3. Seems to have all the momentum moving in the right way and then falls on his face hard without Dobbs

Jeremy Pruitt weak first year, somehow on the back of some dogs (JJ/Bituli/Warrior etc.) manages to have a 7-5 season then the very next year epic falls on his face while also nearly burning the place down as he falls.


And I think Heupel has done things well and he's on the right path, but it's still just one season of success. A lot of teams we faced hadn't experienced playing his uptempo offense. So how do they adjust next year after having faced it once? Do the SEC defenses adjust and we see him fall on his face? Or is it really going to be the new age version of "Fun and Gun" that dominates the SEC East for a decade or longer before teams figure out how to handle it?

Who knows...I think Heupel and staff with how they recruit will need another season or two of proven results before they land the big fish on a consistent basis.
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
I think that's just not true and an odd position for Eric to take. Most 4 year kids don't really contribute all 4 years so what's the difference? I think in this new world of college football, you have to have both. Obviously 4 year players should be the foundation of your team, but you have to be trying to bring in as many talented players as you possibly can regardless of where they come from or how long they have.

Now if all things are equal and you can get a guy that has 4 years vs 1, you take 4 years, but you just have to get as much talent as you can where you can find it. Cause stars just need to align for one year to be special.
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I mean, you just agreed with me completely. This is what I'm saying. High School recruiting is the foundation. You only get portal players to fill holes. You can't miss on an entire position group in recruiting and just have the idea of going to the portal to fix it! Because you're just as likely to grab a Juwan Mitchell as you are a Velus Jones. They are bandaids. Sometimes they are Hendon Hooker sized bandaids and I understand that. But you can't just throw off recruiting due to the portal. it doesn't work that way
 
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These blanket woe is me, the world is ending bullcrap posts in this forum are pointless and energy draining. They ruin the interest and fun of the RF. Go away and come back when you grow up. We can talk positive, negative, realist, whatever - but use some sense. Otherwise you are wasting everybody else's time and reducing interest. Most on here do not want to put posters on ignore, they would rather see you go away or lurk and get better. If your intent is to troll or shill, we will figure it out and you will be ignored. Congrats.

Rant over.

Folks - transfers need categorized now as well. They are not one size fit all. Think number of years the prospect will be available for your roster and the likelihood of an early exit (which includes your NIL availability) versus position projection needs with the development of the HS signees. You have to go position by position. Using class rankings by flawed, controlled recruiting services is dumb now. It's old. It's a new age as Heup stated. Get with it. None of these HS players will be with us and used in games beyond 4 years, or 5 with a RS anyway. Most will now be gone in three due to the NFL and transfers. So, roster management is being modified. Heup and Banks have already alluded to it and you can see it being played out that way nationwide.

Again, think like an NFL GM within the bounds of CFB rules. It's the wild, Wild West on NIL until it isn't. Know that UT is not in position to "buy" players with the AA already involved. So they will play by the known and legally recommended rules. But they will still be in the NIL game for the players that fit us and our system.

Enjoy signing day tomorrow and welcome some great VFL's who will make game days fun for years to come.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
to be fair its easier to evaluate a kid who has already played FBS football. You have a great idea of what he is.
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That's what we thought about Juwan Mitchell. Eric Gray and Wanya have been atrocious for OU. As many have said, there's a reason the guy is transferring.
 
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VFL92 said:
Honest question. Why would the investigation/uncertainty only affect our defensive recruiting?
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I was not saying they are the only side struggling, but was emphasizing that if they are struggling that stands out more (to me). I think QB, RB, and WR recruiting will always be solid because of the system. It is the other areas that I think will tell the tale.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I'm not against transfers. I want us to rack up in the portal every year. But you cannot discount high school recruiting because "we'll just get the guy in the portal!" Hopefully we do get the help that we need in the portal, and we should be targeting the right guys, but high school recruiting will always be the most important.
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Our offensive class is really good. Portal for the defense
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
That's what we thought about Juwan Mitchell. Eric Gray and Wanya have been atrocious for OU. As many have said, there's a reason the guy is transferring.
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Juwan isn't the same category, he did have injury issues and elected to have a season ending surgery to fix his shoulder.

He still has potentially 2 years left (if he RS this season and with the covid year) he could play next year and the year after if he wanted to. Not sure what he plans to do, hopefully we get him one more season just for the depth it offers.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I mean, you just agreed with me completely. This is what I'm saying. High School recruiting is the foundation. You only get portal players to fill holes. You can't miss on an entire position group in recruiting and just have the idea of going to the portal to fix it! Because you're just as likely to grab a Juwan Mitchell as you are a Velus Jones. They are bandaids. Sometimes they are Hendon Hooker sized bandaids and I understand that. But you can't just throw off recruiting due to the portal. it doesn't work that way
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We're saying the same thing. I guess my issue is with Eric calling them band aids. That feels like it diminishes their impact to me. Hendon Hooker isn't a bandaid, he's stiches that pulled this program back together.
 
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KB5252 said:
Say a prayer for our family tonight, my Mother in law found out earlier today she did not have insurance to cover her storm damage. My brother in law and I will be doing the repairs beginning this weekend.

She's had a rough couple of years, her husband passed a year ago and my wifes older sister has been diagnosed with psychosis/schizophrenia. She's beyond stressed but this is where we get to be a blessing. I'll get firewood and she'll get repairs, we just need a slight break in the weather this weekend. That's where your prayers and best wishes come into play!
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Prayers for sure. Prayers for strength, peace, and encouragement in a turbulent season of life.
 
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On the HS vs. Portal thing, I think you will see over the next few years the way you build a roster undergo a dramatic change. Several questions that don't have quick knee-jerk reactions need to be answered:
What percentage of Recruits vs. Transfers do you take?
How do we evaluate transfers? Factor in years of eligibility, issues with previous program, injury history, etc.
Do you create positions or hire separate staff just for evaluating transfers and managing the portal?
How do JUCOs factor into all of this? NIL?
Could be wrong, but I don't think the process in two or three years will resemble what it is today.
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
We're saying the same thing. I guess my issue is with Eric calling them band aids. That feels like it diminishes their impact to me. Hendon Hooker isn't a bandaid, he's stiches that pulled this program back together.
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Another benefit of the portal players is that they only get a free transfer one time right? So essentially you get to evaluate a guy with college level film vs. HS, and don't have to pander to him because his leverage is gone once he transfers in. To me this is part of the equation we saw play out this year where CJH didn't have to worry about Hooker/Milton transferring again based on the depth chart (unless they wanted to transfer down anyway).
 
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The thing is Eric Ainge is stuck in Eric Ainge era football.

Kids now get to transfer 1 time for free, no questions asked. So the era of the Transfer player is totally different that it was in the early 2000s when you only saw the "can't cut it" type of players entering the portal or the "questionable character" guys. I feel like a good/large majority of guys will enter now just to go find a better fit and/or more playing time.

You can't tell me Quinn Ewers is going to be considered just a "band aid" guy.
 
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