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As mainly a lurker that only looks for relevant information. This gnashing of teeth is making it much easier to weed out the attention seeking complainers. As much as I would like it there are no shortcuts in building back this program. If anything CJH has put us a year or two ahead of where we should be in the win column and overall perception.

With a 7-5 record, top 20 class, Hooker and hopefully Tillman coming back, and plenty of young returning defensive players there are far more things to be positive about considering where we were a year ago. ✌🏻
 
For some, it's all about the chemistry. Having drinks is more socially accepted than smoking.
Smokers tend to be around other smokers and usually just "bum" cigarettes if they don't have any. They're way cheaper and easy to obtain without extreme measures.

But you also see people hold up a convenience store and jerk down a carton while getting the money. Or hit a pawn shop and go directly to a store. Being legal and cheap, not gonna see many headlines. But getting 2 am calls offering $20 for a ride to get a pack, because they couldn't wait another second, wasn't uncommon back then.
They were probably robbing the store to get money for drugs. Grabbing the cigarettes was just convenient.
This reminds me of the scene in Half Baked with Bob Saget.
I'm not talking about how addictive something is. Because if I was, sugar and caffeine would have to be in the discussion. I'm talking about the almost immediate, negative impact on lives.
At the end of the day, we are all going to die of something.
So pick your poison.
I'm just trying to get a semblance of quality of life since my health issues have already put a cap on the quantitiy.
 
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What's AP mean by "cast a bigger net" though, for the '23 class we've already offered over 300 kids. The '22 class we're closing in on 500 offers.
All the kids we are trying to close on for ESD we weren't recruiting very hard until recently. He's saying we need to go after these kids sooner. I think a big part of that though is that we didn't have much hype until around October so it's hard to sell a kid on a program in less that two months.
 
Some of you are still slaves to the signing day mentality of the 00's and 10's. It is a new day.

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It was always about the portal for this first couple of years with this staff. We still have a lot of building to do. The recruiting class was half the battle, and finishing with a top 20 class is still ahead of schedule, in my opinion.

Now we use the rest of the open spots to fill in positions of need and/or take studs that hit the market. Other programs have done it. The blueprint is there.

Recruits have choices. The recruiting process is all about choices. They want to be treated like stars, they want the best. They love coaches that treat them like that. They want to utilize a system that 99% of people, especially 17 year olds, don't understand yet (NIL).

The portal is about guys looking for opportunity. They want to contribute. They have a sense of urgency. They are more serious and measured in their decision. As a program, we have more in common with the players in the portal right now. We can still find great players, and improve our odds next year by 1-2 wins, by working the portal. We will find more mature guys that understand the vision. We will find athletes that are looking for a fit and find it here.

The offseason is young, ladies and gentlemen. The days of the silent period from Signing Day to Spring Practice are long gone.

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> A portion of bowl practices is basically a mini-spring or mini-camp in some ways, so it's not unusual to see some experimenting in terms of position switches. That appeared to be the case on Tuesday morning with a couple of Tennessee freshmen. The current staff recruited neither Trinity Bell nor Kaemen Marley and hasn't gotten to see much of either since their arrivals in the summer, and the Vols look to be evaluating those athletes in different positions.

After working with the tight ends on Monday, Bell was going through drills with the defensive line on Tuesday. The 6-foot-7 freshman, listed at 265 pounds, was in a non-contact jersey with a brace on his leg as he isn't yet 100% cleared from his knee injury he suffered nearly a year ago. Bell was a two-way player in high school, lining up at tight end and defensive end, and Tennessee appears to be assessing him at both this month.

Marley, the former Top247 prospect, was listed as a defensive back after he enrolled in June and started out at wide receiver back in the preseason, but he appearing to be working with the linebackers on Tuesday morning. Marley played safety on defense in high school and very much looked like he was new to linebacker drills as he needed correction on multiple reps as the Vols drilled their footwork in shooting gaps under the chute, but he seemed willing to take the coaching. He's another versatile athlete the Vols are still evaluating because he didn't get much of a preseason due to injury.

> Elsewhere, still no Cade Mays (ankle) with the offensive line. The trio getting early reps in individual work at right tackle were Dayne Davis, Jeremiah Crawford and William Parker. The trio repping at left tackle were Darnell Wright, K'Rojhn Calbert and RJ Perry.

> Players still in non-contact jerseys: Running back Jaylen Wright and defensive backs Theo Jackson and De'Shawn Rucker.

> 2022 signee Jordan Phillips again went through drills with the defensive line as he gets a jumpstart on his Tennessee career.

> After its usual turnover circuit, Tennessee's defense dove into individual work. The cornerbacks got some drills on defending the bubble screen/swing passes while the safeties drilled their coverage drops then tackling. It was a lot of footwork drills for the linebackers with Brian Jean-Mary focusing on the steps and running through their gaps in run defense. It was mostly agility and hand violence work for the defensive line.

Routes-on-air with the quarterbacks, wide receivers and tight ends included mostly the quick passing game (drags, comebacks, outs) before the wideouts ran some post-corners.

> Scheduled for interviews after practice: Offensive coordinator and tight ends coach Alex Golesh, quarterback Hendon Hooker and wide receivers Velus Jones Jr. and Cedric Tillman.
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As mainly a lurker that only looks for relevant information. This gnashing of teeth is making it much easier to weed out the attention seeking complainers. As much as I would like it there are no shortcuts in building back this program. If anything CJH has put us a year or two ahead of where we should be in the win column and overall perception.

With a 7-5 record, top 20 class, Hooker and hopefully Tillman coming back, and plenty of young returning defensive players there are far more things to be positive about considering where we were a year ago. ✌🏻
The bar moves when you exceed expectations.
 
I know my experience with opiates is anecdotal. Growing up in Nashville in the 90s, it wasn't an issue. In my 20s in Florida, it was crazy. There were pain clinics on every corner. Most of the friends that died were in service trades and injured at work. Then addiction got them. A good friend got over on me for a few hundred dollars for a stereo system. I didn't even want to put my hands on him. I was just so worried about how far he was gone. He died a year later in a gas station bathroom.

Owners of the companies, reps, doctors....whoever is responsible for this deserves to rot in prison. It's destroyed middle america.
 
we lost no one that we never had. You can not offer today get tomorrow. These guys been committed elsewhere at one time or another. We are not that good yet to do the overnight miracle signings. We will see how it plays out I guess.
Eh. TN is in a better spot then FSU. If he stuck with UGA or went somewhere else I'd agree. Now Tolen I can agree with your point
 
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It hit the back corner of house above a bedroom. The roof was damaged as were the soffit and fascia, they are both gone. We have not been into attic to see if there is any structural issue underneath the sheathing on roof.

She is about an hour and a half north of me in Hendersonville.
Is it cosmetic? I mean, did it tear off shingles and soffit or did it damage underneath? I may be able to send a couple guys and tools to help, if needed. Just need to know if it's something we could actually help with.
 
Who is gonna be Hooker's #2 receiver next season? Would love to see us get an elite WR in the portal. Offense has crazy good potential next season!

Last season I was on the Velus train as being our "go to" guy, didn't see Tillman coming at all.

Tillman will be the clear #1 I think next year, hopefully he can remain healthy. We'll for sure need some one else to step up so he's not stuck facing double coverage or safety help over the top all year.

Jalin Hyatt was 3rd on the team in catches behind Tillman/Velus and 4th in yards behind those two and Payton. I think the guy most likely to step into Velus' role is Calloway or Merrill, I'd put Marley as a dark horse in this role. Hyatt and Holiday I think you'll hopefully see one or both develop into more of a Payton role where they can take the top off a defense, both have the speed to do it. In an ideal situation Keyton will make a major stride this upcoming season like Tillman did.

Pecking order
1. Tillman (Keyton/backup)
2. Possession/YAC guy - Calloway/Merrill (Marley as dark horse)
3. Deep threat - Hyatt or Holiday (White will probably need a year to add some good weight, but he'll be a speedster as well)
4. Wildcard/Gadget guy - Keyton or Coby (or transfer guy)

I think Keyton, Webb, and Nimrod are all similar WRs to Tillman. So probably won't get a ton of reps (especially the freshmen) unless we're in some big blowouts. Could also see us taking a transfer if a really solid production guy that fits what we're going to be looking for is in the portal.
 
It's sad to think what could have been if (a) Pruitt/Nieds toned down the cheating to a normal level and (b) Pruitt hired someone like Lebby to actually run the offense.
 
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Last season I was on the Velus train as being our "go to" guy, didn't see Tillman coming at all.

Tillman will be the clear #1 I think next year, hopefully he can remain healthy. We'll for sure need some one else to step up so he's not stuck facing double coverage or safety help over the top all year.

Jalin Hyatt was 3rd on the team in catches behind Tillman/Velus and 4th in yards behind those two and Payton. I think the guy most likely to step into Velus' role is Calloway or Merrill, I'd put Marley as a dark horse in this role. Hyatt and Holiday I think you'll hopefully see one or both develop into more of a Payton role where they can take the top off a defense, both have the speed to do it. In an ideal situation Keyton will make a major stride this upcoming season like Tillman did.

Pecking order
1. Tillman (Keyton/backup)
2. Possession/YAC guy - Calloway/Merrill (Marley as dark horse)
3. Deep threat - Hyatt or Holiday (White will probably need a year to add some good weight, but he'll be a speedster as well)
4. Wildcard/Gadget guy - Keyton or Coby (or transfer guy)

I think Keyton, Webb, and Nimrod are all similar WRs to Tillman. So probably won't get a ton of reps (especially the freshmen) unless we're in some big blowouts. Could also see us taking a transfer if a really solid production guy that fits what we're going to be looking for is in the portal.

We heard Payton's name a lot. Surprised he didn't actually have a lot of catches. Every other catch was a TD, 😆
 
So down the stretch we came in 2nd on all of these guys?:

Tolan (LSU)
West (FSU)
Nolen (A$M)
Agu (Vandy (!!) )
Gilbert (Auburn)
Scott (Auburn)
Jones (Michigan)
Igbinosun (Ole Miss)
Pearce (we are 2nd to “seeing what else comes along before NSD”)
Probably others I am forgetting

And we hit on only Webb (ECU), J Williams (WVU), and D Williams (Houston); and maybe flipped a Tulane commit in Jacas (assuming we can hold off mighty Illinois).

I like the guys we got, but we just flat out failed to close in a meaningful way. The guys we got were not being heavily recruited by SEC level programs, the guys we failed on were. Frankly, we simply did not recruit at the standard that is required.

There can be no sugar coating failing this badly down the stretch, especially with the positive momentum we had throughout the season.

CJH must make changes immediately — whether on his staff and/or in his recruiting philosophy. Recruiting at a high level in the SEC is blood sport. We have demonstrated down the stretch that we aren’t prepared to win these tough fights.
Overreacting and changing the staff is the last thing that we need to do…. We need to be patient bc we are recruiting at around the same level as all new coaches in the SEC…..Next year looks like has a chance to be much better after allowing this staff to show the product and build relationships.
 
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