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Weezer said:
Heupel does need to recruit better. That's just truth. Saying that doesn't mean someone lacks confidence in him or this staff. They did a remarkable job coaching up the talent they have this year. That doesn't mean we don't need a talent influx. The expectation is to always be moving forward, always improving. That's not "bellyaching" or "complaining". That's talking about the obvious.

As for the misrepresenting, yes, you did. You selected one post from a conversation. Conversations consist of multiple posts and context.
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I think this is a fair post. Heupel will need to up his recruiting game to compete with the top tier SEC teams. I believe he's a really good coach but that's just fact.

Lots in this forum believe small doses of realism are either negative or trolling.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
Love how fans think they can demand that their teams “have” to recruit at the level of the top 3/4 teams without taking into consideration all the variables involved.
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Georgia recruits athletes and certain body types. They have the ability to mold them and develop them because of what they have in front of them. That’s the difference. Doesn’t mean they can’t be beat or won’t ever play bad but football is a violent game and there’s only a handful of teams that even have the body types to match up with them consistently. Tennessee is not one of them. Doesn’t mean that 8,9,10 wins aren’t doable.
 
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It always amazes me how much miscommunication happens on a message board. The simplest statements are often misconstrued, misinterpreted, misrepresented...

The only expectation I have of this team is to improve. Improvement comes through adding talent and continuing to coach the players you have. I don't expect us to be recruiting at the level of Bama and Georgia. I do expect our recruiting to improve. Those two statements do not mean the same thing, but people seem to believe they do.
 
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volbeast33 said:
The problem is our fans think every player that hits the portal is an upgrade…… there haven’t been many obvious studs besides a few that entered already knowing where they wanted to go…..most are backups or lower level studs that we don’t know how they translate.
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Agree……That said, I would venture to say that a majority of the defensive portal players would be an upgrade ……at least LBs and CBs.:oops:
 
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BigSteve09 said:
Pitt already got their transfer QB that will turn into Dan Marino on us
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Somehow Slovis has gotten significantly worse than when I remember him beating out ole JT Daniels.

Went from a 167 qbr his freshman year to:
144 So
132 Jr

Pitt really developed Pickett and it wasn't just some great plug-and-play scheme that led to his success this year, so I'd be a bit surprised if Slovis is great all of a sudden again. If anything, he 100% won't be first-round Pickett level. Thank goodness, what a break...jesus our luck 😅
 
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HankHill said:
Georgia purchases athletes and certain body types. They have the ability to mold them and develop them because of what they have in front of them. That’s the difference. Doesn’t mean they can’t be beat or won’t ever play bad but football is a violent game and there’s only a handful of teams that even have the body types to match up with them consistently. Tennessee is not one of them. Doesn’t mean that 8,9,10 wins aren’t doable.
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FYP
 
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Mike4Vols said:
I think this is a fair post. Heupel will need to up his recruiting game to compete with the top tier SEC teams. I believe he's a really good coach but that's just fact.

Lots in this forum believe small doses of realism are either negative or trolling.
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Small doses?!?! I guess you and @Weezer are on a different VN than I am.

I totally agree that Heupel will have to recruit better, IN TIME, to be able to compete with Bama and UGA. However, with UT being the butt of all jokes, the laughing stock of college football, for the last 15 years or so, I'd say that Heupel IS recruiting better right now, with what he pulled off for early signing day. 7-6 is not going to erase the stain of what we have been.

Also, RIGHT NOW, Bama and UGA, and their level, on the field and in recruitng...its laughable for us to even think about that. Again, RIGHT NOW. Saying we have to recruit better over and over and over and over and over again is not going to change that. Only thing it does is show that the ones posting that, is not dealing with "realism".
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Wow, that is another big loss for Florida! He played very well at the position this year. I would love it if we could land him.
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Gamble or Washington? Who would ya pick?

I like both, but personally I might just say...forget em both and GET DEFENSIVE PLAYERS 😅

Skilled offensive players are nice, but I'm fully convinced this offense could score 30+ ppg with the UT-Chattanooga offensive roster. Defense will be the only thing to conceivably hold this program back as long as Heupel is here. He's that good schematically.
 
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Vols4us said:
This ^^^^ right here. Spot on and well done, doc. Listen up, folks. TL;dr - but going to do it anyway.

It's OK to fire people when they do not accomplish the mission or struggle with the relationships aspect. You are doing what is best for the bigger entity as well as for the person who needs fired. They need a restart and a new perspective as well. It's not easy to lead others. Tough people make tough decisions. As a leader, when you are no longer willing to take on the tough decisions and difficult situations, it is time to quit and move out of the way.

That's why some of us gray hairs keep saying that the program was messed up from the top of the food chain down. We lived and were fans/donors when it wasn't. We had tough leaders from the system President through the AD. They made tough calls, especially when they had hired the wrong coach in a sport and/or had to fire somebody. When Johnson and Dickey retired, they were replaced by incompetence who just played political games within the state, university and donor base. Down went the programs over time.

We are past that now. Gone - finally. Embrace the fresh air and enjoy the ride. The coaches in the primary sports will be stable for a good while to come. No more blowing with the wind unless an individual coach has a melt down. That stability will bring a much happier and winning atmosphere. It's the long term view. The short term view, which is to do as everybody else currently is doing, sets up failure. UT needs to be UT - do it our way. We have a real shot at getting our identity back that Doc describes. We can be innovative throughout the athletic department, just as Heup's offense has proven to be. But it also applies to how the university does things overall.

FWIW - I totally disagree with the comments on Jimbo. He wears a natty ring while using a talented, but complete buffoon at QB. That's not incompetence. His team beat Bama this season with a back-up gimpy legged QB. That's not incompetence. He leveraged his donor base to buy a 5* football team using the cutting edge NIL to do it. That's not incompetence. Now he has the tools in his belt to beat the best. Will see if he can build the team culture aspect over the course of the next few years. It will be a challenge, but my gut says he will be wearing another natty ring in a few years.

We can do the same thing. Just do it our way. I'm excited for the future now.
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Jimbo is a fraud...even if he does win in the next couple of years, he has proven that he he has no idea how to manage that mercenary talent long term like Saban does...he absolutely ran FSU into the ground after winning that title exactly through that Urban Meyer type mismanagement.

A&M will become a lawless undisciplined pigsty no matter what happens title wise in the next couple of years.

IMO that is Sabans greatest strength as a coach...it isn't scheme, it isn't recruiting, elite gameplanning or anything like that..it is his pure singleminded strength of will that somehow is able to hold his teams enthralled to that discipline and focus year after year after year...if he is the GOAT...then that is the reason.
 
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Devo182 said:
Gamble or Washington? Who would ya pick?

I like both, but personally I might just say...forget em both and GET DEFENSIVE PLAYERS 😅

Skilled offensive players are nice, but I'm fully convinced this offense could score 30+ ppg with the UT-Chattanooga offensive roster. Defense will be the only thing to conceivably hold this program back as long as Heupel is here. He's that good schematically.
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Is Washington in the portal?
 
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Devo182 said:
Gamble or Washington? Who would ya pick?

I like both, but personally I might just say...forget em both and GET DEFENSIVE PLAYERS 😅

Skilled offensive players are nice, but I'm fully convinced this offense could score 30+ ppg with the UT-Chattanooga offensive roster. Defense will be the only thing to conceivably hold this program back as long as Heupel is here. He's that good schematically.
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I probably would agree with you about getting defensive players, but if I had to pick between one of those two, I would take gamble all day long.
 
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