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Devo182 said:
You might be surprised how many national fans are against NiL, in various forms.

Hell, just 12 months ago many here were against it.

Many folks still think players are amateurs and should be happy with their hay to sleep on, education on how to jump through hoops, and peanuts for being good. While the circusmasters make tens of millions each.

Other fanbases tend to be for/against it based on how good their team is at the NiL game. Sadly not nearly enough believe it merely on principle alone. Though many are switching to understanding, especially a ton of UT fans have switched their position. I love how many Vol fans now see it as a point of principle and basic rights. On the right side of ethics and history.
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Oh Im for paying players, I think salaries may be overboard but, whatever. Its out. Cant go backward now.
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
i hope so guys. It seems to me once these rules come out next week, and the threat of enforcement action by the NCAA may "slow down" our recruiting momentum even if we don't actually receive any punishment (which may be what all this is about for Bama, UGA, Ohio State Clemson who are the teams pushing enforcement).
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If anyone gets targeted it’ll be Miami. Their booster, Ruiz, IS their NIL program lol
 
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Wickman said:
I’ve got an update. So, they cancelled our surgery for tomorrow because they don’t have enough beds to keep her overnight the next few nights. So it is moved to next Tuesday. I appreciate all the love and prayers and would love for them to continue until her surgery next week and will post updates when I can. Much love to all!
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You got it, brother...one of the things we do :)
 
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The main thing I don't get is the whole "boosters were never allowed" argument when they very clearly have been recently.

It seems they are making it out to be "boosters + inducement" was never allowed. Ofc, inducement never has been. But boosters have been recently.

So, if you want to retroactively pursue cases where boosters were inducing recruits, by all means. But they can't genuinely say a booster being involved at all, in the past, is an issue. And the lawyer for Nico 1000% made sure it didn't tie him to the school. So I really see zero issue here for UT.

Furthermore, the NCAA in no way wants to actually enforce this, as they tried to make clear to the University leaders. But the leaders shoved it through anyway.

Just a silly power move that will do nothing but scare away a few big boosters. Win/win for Spyre and us!
 
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Devo182 said:
Oh cool. The board that came up with this is led by...the UGA president...

I AM SHOCKED
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Morehead was the chair of the committee and obviously agreed with this action, but the decision wasn't his to make, IMO. Obviously there was input from many athletic departments around the country before proceeding on such a divisive course.

Nevertheless, I think the doubters are right, the NCAA can't make it work and their run as a college athletics rules and enforcement body is over. They'll be hit with a class action lawsuit and they'll fold and the NCAA will disband. When that happens, it may be difficult to resume college athletics because there will be trouble finding anything close to a consensus on who and how to regulate. Broken systems, especially those that have been in place for a long time, are usually not easy to replace with something that works well. The whole thing may devolve into a mass of lawsuits and bankrupt athletic departments before it's over.
 
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DawgInterloper said:
Morehead was the chair of the committee and obviously agreed with this action, but the decision wasn't his to make, IMO. Obviously there was input from many athletic departments around the country before proceeding on such a divisive course.

Nevertheless, I think the doubters are right, the NCAA can't make it work and their run as a college athletics rules and enforcement body is over. They'll be hit with a class action lawsuit and they'll fold and the NCAA will disband. When that happens, it may be difficult to resume college athletics because there will be trouble finding anything close to a consensus on who and how to regulate. Broken systems, especially those that have been in place for a long time, are usually not easy to replace with something that works well. The whole thing may devolve into a mass of lawsuits and bankrupt athletic departments before it's over.
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I have no doubt "many athletic departments" gave their input on how to take the NCAA and rewind the clock by a year. Anything to restrict the power of the student-athletes, as always. It is like if the NFL was ruled by owners and there was no union or say by the other half.

The universities can't wait to get back to when they had all the power. If that means it happens through the NCAA, then by all means they will. If their front man - the NCAA - gets hammered, then they'll create a new entity and structure to reach their end goals. They'd pop up with NCAA 2.0 or Power 5 AA before a fortnight passed. They aren't giving up the golden goose.

It would be a new name...same ole ****bags behind the curtain. As long as the university leaders are willing to bang their head against the legal wall and not come to terms with reality, it will be the same crap forever. At worse, we end up back where we were 10 years ago when the SAs had zero power. No ability to transfer or earn off NIL...and many fans will clap about it.
 
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Devo182 said:
I have no doubt "many athletic departments" gave their input on how to take the NCAA and rewind the clock by a year. Anything to restrict the power of the student-athletes, as always. It is like if the NFL was ruled by owners and there was no union or say by the other half.

The universities can't wait to get back to when they had all the power. If that means it happens through the NCAA, then by all means they will. If their front man - the NCAA - gets hammered, then they'll create a new entity and structure to reach their end goals. They'd pop up with NCAA 2.0 or Power 5 AA before a fortnight passed. They aren't giving up the golden goose.

It would be a new name...same ole ****bags behind the curtain. As long as the university leaders are willing to bang their head against the legal wall and not come to terms with reality, it will be the same crap forever. At worse, we end up back where we were 10 years ago when the SAs had zero power.
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It's probably not quite that straightforward. Most college athletic departments are losing money already and anything that diverts money sources from their coffers, including payments to athletes, is a threat. The academic side of things doesn't like having to financially support athletics. So unless more money comes in, cuts will have to be made in a number of programs or salaries or facilities. I've been watching askance as this football facilities arms race unfolded, and this could be the trigger to financial hardship, especially if we get wider economic disruption.
 
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Devo182 said:
The main thing I don't get is the whole "boosters were never allowed" argument when they very clearly have been recently.

It seems they are making it out to be "boosters + inducement" was never allowed. Ofc, inducement never has been. But boosters have been recently.

So, if you want to retroactively pursue cases where boosters were inducing recruits, by all means. But they can't genuinely say a booster being involved at all, in the past, is an issue. And the lawyer for Nico 1000% made sure it didn't tie him to the school. So I really see zero issue here for UT.

Furthermore, the NCAA in no way wants to actually enforce this, as they tried to make clear to the University leaders. But the leaders shoved it through anyway.

Just a silly power move that will do nothing but scare away a few big boosters. Win/win for Spyre and us!
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Agreed on all fronts. These are hollow guidelines/rules that won’t be enforced but instead are hoping to scare. NCAA would be sued into oblivion if they tried to enforce it.

As anonymous NIL collective person said in one of those articles:

“I think it’s adorable that the NCAA is acting as if they’re going to crack down on anything”
 
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SoilVol said:
That's great bud, but at the end of the day it comes down to "pics or didn't happen" because it'd literally be the very first one ever, or another example of mistaken identity. That's literally the only way to prove that the species exists in these locations.

Sorry, I'm being "condescending" about something that I have to repeat 100 times a day as a subject-matter expert with people who claim the exact same thing you have but have yet to provide verified proof. It's not particularly directed at you. All I can say is, without proof - the claim cannot be scientifically supported from an observational or biological standpoint.

Also, park personnel and even TWRA agents are not herpetology experts. They're very very often wrong about snakes and subject to the same myths and misinformation as the general public.

Point to where I called you a "dummy" or "ignorant redneck." Because I didn't. I was not that hard on you, but you sure did build it up.
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I'm not your bud, pal.

You're not from Tennessee are you? If you had grown up here, you would have heard stories of them. Of course, that's not pictures, but you would have most likely come across one had you grown up here.

Of course my book learnin' surely ain't as good as yours, so there's no way I coulda seent one.

I'm not here to convince you, I really don't care if you believe it or not. Just because it's not in one of your books or any record of a documented population doesn't mean there aren't any here. Just because you don't believe it or have yet to see It first hand also doesn't mean there have never been any here.

It would be easier if you just came out and said, directly, what you're trying to passively say, which is, "I'm smarter than you and you're a liar."
 
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If the NCAA folds I don't think sports end. Some smaller schools may close athletic departments, but I think the major conferences will just step up and run their show and decide rules on recruiting and punishment and such, then each sport will have it's own governing body for general on-field rules agreement (kinda like high school sports where the state is the big guy in charge) and organizing postseason competition.

So the NCAA may morph into the NCBA (basketball) because that's the one thing they were really good at. Football would be some alphabet agency that has zero teeth but hears rules suggestions every offseason and coordinates a playoff.
 
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bignewt said:
Maggianos off the Tollway was always one of my faves. Still not worth having to live in DFW though. ;)
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Prekids, we used to meet at Maggianos for big group dinners. We even would rent out their big room for New Year’s Eve. All meet for dinner, hire a DJ and have our own party. Funniest memory is that a buddy is starting to panic because he can’t find his wife. She was curled up asleep/passed out under one of the tables.
The tablecloth was all the way to the floor, we wouldn’t have found her except the heel of one shoe was sticking out from under the tablecloth. 😂
 
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JCP201 said:
NCAA issues updated guidance on NIL collectives, boosters

I am assuming we are screwed because it's the VOLS way?
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I wouldn't assume that. I think Spyre has their ducks in a row.

And that article is wrong to say "the arms race" started with the speculated Nico deal. As I've said before, Saban openly bragged his QB was making 7 figures. That's where the crazy money originated. So if the NCAA plans to investigate, they need to start with Bama and Young's NIL deals.

Personally, I still believe nothing much will come from this. SCOTUS has rendered the NCAA toothless in this fight. They won't win the lawsuits that will come from them trying to enforce this "new" policy, especially if they choose to be selective in how they enforce it. They can't ignore the Bamas and the Georgias and only go after the Tennessees.
 
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