Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[VolsDoc81TX]

Don’t waste the electricity. Rock around the ankles and find the nearest lake.

Don’t ruin the lake.

 

[De La Cloobs]

Bury him up to his neck, 10 ft away from a fireant mound

Or alternately, force him to eat a mayonnaise sandwich

The Comanche used to peel back the eyelids of victims and stake them to a fire ant hill.

Sweet dreams.

 

[drvenner]

Steriods was banned by the federal government in 1990….. Faye Vincent sent out a memo saying that players shouldn’t use any illegal drugs as a way to show they tried…. They weren’t officially added to the rules until 2005…. It’s the same game MLB always plays….. they blame the players association…. If they truly wanted to get steroids out of the game then they would have done so when they locked the players out in 1994. Instead they hyped up homerun chases with guys everyone in the country knew was juicing…. Tell me again how they wanted it stopped?

I didn't say they wanted it stopped. And, they usually blame the MLBPA because it's their fault. That organization has spit in the face of the fans time and time again. The owners are far from without blame for the PEDs and the many work stoppages, but the players association does everything it can to point fingers back to the owners. Both groups have hurt the game beyond repair.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Theo's deal is nearly 4 million. not sure if its per or total of

 

[thistime]

This may have been talked about already but I read in the Tennessean this morning they are now talking NIL deals in high school.............HIGH SCHOOL. Nine states have laws that allow it, Tennessee does not. A coach at an inter-city school was talking about how it could be the death of inter-city sports because just like we are finding in college when the money is there the talented will seek it. It never fails to amaze how you can take something that was basically a good system try and tweek it and potentially ruin it all.

Instead of coming up with a way to help college athletes and their teammates benefit financially we have created yet another avenue that is uncontrollable and I believe in the long run unsustainable. This NIL model we have in place now could potentially ruin amateur sports as we know it unless reined in and I am afraid this cats out of the bag.

 

[Jackcrevol]

This may have been talked about already but I read in the Tennessean this morning they are now talking NIL deals in high school.............HIGH SCHOOL. Nine states have laws that allow it, Tennessee does not. A coach at an inter-city school was talking about how it could be the death of inter-city sports because just like we are finding in college when the money is there the talented will seek it. It never fails to amaze how you can take something that was basically a good system try and tweek it and potentially ruin it all.

Instead of coming up with a way to help college athletes and their teammates benefit financially we have created yet another avenue that is uncontrollable and I believe in the long run unsustainable. This NIL model we have in place now could potentially ruin amateur sports as we know it unless reined in and I am afraid this cats out of the bag.

it was already effed. if you dont think players were getting paid, you are mistaken. Parents were getting homes, players - cars, and sacks of cash.

 

[SoilVol]

This may have been talked about already but I read in the Tennessean this morning they are now talking NIL deals in high school.............HIGH SCHOOL. Nine states have laws that allow it, Tennessee does not. A coach at an inter-city school was talking about how it could be the death of inter-city sports because just like we are finding in college when the money is there the talented will seek it. It never fails to amaze how you can take something that was basically a good system try and tweek it and potentially ruin it all.

Instead of coming up with a way to help college athletes and their teammates benefit financially we have created yet another avenue that is uncontrollable and I believe in the long run unsustainable. This NIL model we have in place now could potentially ruin amateur sports as we know it unless reined in and I am afraid this cats out of the bag.

This seems ludacris to us, but its not if you look worldwide.

iirc, Lionel Messi's parents signed a contract with Barcelona when he was like 7 years old. Barcelona shipped him from Argentina to Spain, covered the medical expenses he needed for growth hormone replacement, paid his parents for his play, put him through school and professional training, etc. They identified him as a prodigy from a young age and invested in him. When he was 18 he scored his first goal in a professional match and was already making huge money.

Ronaldo was identified at high school age and signed to Sporting CP in Lisbon when he was 16. Christian Pulisic moved to Germany and signed with Dortmund when he was 16. He went to his American high school prom the night before a huge USMNT game.

This stuff is already happening, and if we didn't have the college sport system in place in the US we would have the same system. High schoolers are going to start making money for their athletic achievements. Its inevitable at this rate and not something that's never happened before.

 

[thistime]

it was already effed. if you dont think players were getting paid, you are mistaken. Parents were getting homes, players - cars, and sacks of cash.

I never said it was perfect but the NCAA could have stopped that long ago if they wanted. Illegal recruiting is illegal for a reason , there is a rule that tells you how it should be done. Not enforcing the rule's is what got us to this place now.

The TSSAA seem to be fairly good at curbing cheating because most of the coaches police it more, rather than joining in. Maybe if we had looked down on breaking the rules rather than try to do it better we, as fans of college sports wouldn't be seeing all this turmoil........but it is what it is.

 

[volbeast33]

I never said it was perfect but the NCAA could have stopped that long ago if they wanted. Illegal recruiting is illegal for a reason , there is a rule that tells you how it should be done. Not enforcing the rule's is what got us to this place now.

The TSSAA seem to be fairly good at curbing cheating because most of the coaches police it more, rather than joining in. Maybe if we had looked down on breaking the rules rather than try to do it better we, as fans of college sports wouldn't be seeing all this turmoil........but it is what it is.

TSSAA isn’t good at policing it or Maryville and Alcoa would be in trouble.

 

[thistime]

This seems ludacris to us, but its not if you look worldwide.

iirc, Lionel Messi's parents signed a contract with Barcelona when he was like 7 years old. Barcelona shipped him from Argentina to Spain, covered the medical expenses he needed for growth hormone replacement, paid his parents for his play, put him through school and professional training, etc. They identified him as a prodigy from a young age and invested in him. When he was 18 he scored his first goal in a professional match and was already making huge money.

Ronaldo was identified at high school age and signed to Sporting CP in Lisbon when he was 16. Christian Pulisic moved to Germany and signed with Dortmund when he was 16. He went to his American high school prom the night before a huge USMNT game.

This stuff is already happening, and if we didn't have the college sport system in place in the US we would have the same system. High schoolers are going to start making money for their athletic achievements. Its inevitable at this rate and not something that's never happened before.

I agree with you. Look at Junior's hockey, these kids literally travel to other countries and live with sponsors. I just hate to see something that is so basic that we have all enjoyed, like high school sports get complicated.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I never said it was perfect but the NCAA could have stopped that long ago if they wanted. Illegal recruiting is illegal for a reason , there is a rule that tells you how it should be done. Not enforcing the rule's is what got us to this place now.

The TSSAA seem to be fairly good at curbing cheating because most of the coaches police it more, rather than joining in. Maybe if we had looked down on breaking the rules rather than try to do it better we, as fans of college sports wouldn't be seeing all this turmoil........but it is what it is.

the ncaa is a joke brother

 

[BigSteve09]

This may have been talked about already but I read in the Tennessean this morning they are now talking NIL deals in high school.............HIGH SCHOOL. Nine states have laws that allow it, Tennessee does not. A coach at an inter-city school was talking about how it could be the death of inter-city sports because just like we are finding in college when the money is there the talented will seek it. It never fails to amaze how you can take something that was basically a good system try and tweek it and potentially ruin it all.

Instead of coming up with a way to help college athletes and their teammates benefit financially we have created yet another avenue that is uncontrollable and I believe in the long run unsustainable. This NIL model we have in place now could potentially ruin amateur sports as we know it unless reined in and I am afraid this cats out of the bag.

It has created some short-term and immediate growing pains, but it is a move in the right direction ultimately. Like all things, the best systems require constant tweaking and close observation. Over time, these rules will be fine-tuned. The system, at all levels, was long overdue for an overhaul.

Time and data gathering will lead to more moves and tweaks in the right direction.

 

[VolGee4]

Theo's deal is nearly 4 million. not sure if its per or total of

It’s going to be total based on where he was picked.

 

[thistime]

TSSAA isn’t good at policing it or Maryville and Alcoa would be in trouble.

I can't say how it works now but in the past it did. Back in the mid 70's I was on the unfortunate end of a TSSAA investigation over being recruited to play at a private school here in middle TN. When Gill Gideon is sitting in your living room talking to your parents and looks at you and says your eligibility rest on how you answer these questions, that can give you a different perspective on how they worked then.

 

[thistime]

the ncaa is a joke brother

That what happens when they don't do their job.

 

[butchna]

Players cheat constantly in baseball…. They put substances on the baseball…. They alter the bat…. They take greenies…. They take illegal substances……. Steriods wasn’t banned….. MLB knew they were taken them…. MLB promoted the results from taking them….. I would have taken them as well…. It’s hypocritical to have an issue with it when EVERYONE knew it was happening and didn’t care until after congress/MLB started cracking down on them.

I’ll go with the HYPOCRITE stance on one bullet point. The pressure placed on Hank Aaron to go along with that charade as Bonds neared the mark was the utmost. Knowing that Bonds doesn’t even approach his record without juice, Mr. Aaron did the video congratulations with more class than baseball deserved. Knowing he was CHEATING to attain a record doesn’t make it any less a slimy affair.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

This seems ludacris to us, but its not if you look worldwide.

iirc, Lionel Messi's parents signed a contract with Barcelona when he was like 7 years old. Barcelona shipped him from Argentina to Spain, covered the medical expenses he needed for growth hormone replacement, paid his parents for his play, put him through school and professional training, etc. They identified him as a prodigy from a young age and invested in him. When he was 18 he scored his first goal in a professional match and was already making huge money.

Ronaldo was identified at high school age and signed to Sporting CP in Lisbon when he was 16. Christian Pulisic moved to Germany and signed with Dortmund when he was 16. He went to his American high school prom the night before a huge USMNT game.

This stuff is already happening, and if we didn't have the college sport system in place in the US we would have the same system. High schoolers are going to start making money for their athletic achievements. Its inevitable at this rate and not something that's never happened before.

Yeah, European soccer is a whole different animal. Their academies are world class and really the only way you have a shot at playing professional soccer is to get into these academies, and they are legally able to provide families financial help. The under 17 aren’t necessarily getting paid much until their first professional contract. With Messi/Ronaldo and the other prodigy’s there will always be behind the scenes compensation, just like here, but the majority of that money is paid towards the families with relocation, living expenses, jobs for the parents, etc. Lots of dirty deals and handlers, etc just like here but more out in the open.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Yeah, European soccer is a whole different animal. Their academies are world class and really the only way you have a shot at playing professional soccer is to get into these academies, and they are legally able to provide families financial help. The under 17 aren’t necessarily getting paid much until their first professional contract. With Messi/Ronaldo and the other prodigy’s there will always be behind the scenes compensation, just like here, but the majority of that money is paid towards the families with relocation, living expenses, jobs for the parents, etc. Lots of dirty deals and handlers, etc just like here but more out in the open.

damn socialism

 

[thistime]

Lets go back to leather helmets and no face mask. Cleats with steel tips........real football.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Lets go back to leather helmets and no face mask. Cleats with steel tips........real football.

the whistle wouldnt blow before a lawsuit is filed

 

[InVOLuntary]

damn socialism

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Players cheat constantly in baseball…. They put substances on the baseball…. They alter the bat…. They take greenies…. They take illegal substances……. Steriods wasn’t banned….. MLB knew they were taken them…. MLB promoted the results from taking them….. I would have taken them as well…. It’s hypocritical to have an issue with it when EVERYONE knew it was happening and didn’t care until after congress/MLB started cracking down on them.

I knew there were pitchers using substances on the baseball but I had no idea literally everyone was using something until they started the egregious checks every inning. They are still probably using something on the baseballs in fairness, wouldn't surprise me if teams had silent agreements in place and umpires are in on it. So, I can't care about steroids or anything like that really, everyone is cheating and teams have been caught in many ways so I don't know where to draw the line. The Astros trash can banging was the cherry on top.

 

[engineerVOL]

Took me a minute.
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TWHS (my own post SMH)

Again, slackers.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I knew there were pitchers using substances on the baseball but I had no idea literally everyone was using something until they started the egregious checks every inning. They are still probably using something on the baseballs in fairness, wouldn't surprise me if teams had silent agreements in place and umpires are in on it. So, I can't care about steroids or anything like that really, everyone is cheating and teams have been caught in many ways so I don't know where to draw the line. The Astros trash can banging was the cherry on top.

The silent agreement was a thing 100%. Unless it was super egregious and managers pretty much had to say something.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

TSSAA isn’t good at policing it or Maryville and Alcoa would be in trouble.

And other schools like many of the private schools everywhere. Look no further than Catholic In Knoxville and a bunch of them in Middle Tennessee.