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BigSteve09 said:




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Give me a break Coach...

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utvols83 said:
The comparison to the bootleggers that were upset when prohibition ended is spot on. NIL has completely messed up the Saban business model (which Kirby also uses) and he sees the playing field leveling out.

That's what gets me about folks saying that UT has to pay players like Nico to come. He was going to get paid if he went to Alabama or UGA. NIL has simply leveled the playing field and Spyre was ready for it.

I think Saban is painting himself in a corner and there's going to be a lot of negative consequences for him. He's definitely making it harder for Alabama to have a successful NIL collective because they'll be directly at odds with his comments. You're also going to have some folks who will be more than happy to air the dirty laundry on his program when it comes to paying players.
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A lot of those bootleggers wrote in the blue laws that still plague us today. Prohibition ended but illegal liquor continued because they made it impossible for legitimate businesses to set up shop. This state only got past wine in grocery stores a few years ago. Saban and his ilk can do a lot of damage by pushing various rules but a completely unregulated "market" of college football players isn't good for anyone other than agents and others who can now stick their fingers into the pie without fear of committing a crime (a lot of states had laws to keep them out of things).

There's a balance that has to be found for the sake of all interested parties and yes, parity is something that we desperately need to consider. It's just that when you hear guys like Saban, Kirby, or Dabo whining about it you can rest assured that they're working an angle. Saban, for example, never fails to drop that his players are making millions while superficially condemning paying players. He's advertising the fact Alabama pays millions (something that if he pitched directly would be in complete violation of NCAA rules as coaches and schools can't make these pitches) and prospects are absolutely hearing that in these statements.

That said, whether things are done via NIL or done under the table doesn't really matter to UT football beyond who is setting up and running what. We know how to do it the old way and we know how to do it the new way. I think y'all are giving far too much credit to Spyre and NIL when we're recruiting on the same level we always have. Credit Josh Heupel and staff for taking a team that was in the 100s on offense to a top 10 offense for Nico.

The money probably helped but so did Arch Manning telling us early that he wasn't interested, leaving us alone to pursue Nico exclusively while everyone else had to split their recruitment. It's not as though we couldn't or wouldn't have landed Nico prior to NIL. History says we had a damn good chance of that. We may have had a crappy decade but we're not Ole Miss or one of the other schools that only pulls in big recruits when enormous amounts of cash are being transferred.
 
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Voltime123 said:
Why would we be concerned about players transferring for money? Should we be concerned over coaches doing the same thing? lol
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He's trying to sorcerer this whole process so he can control it. He wants to control how this is framed. He is famously a control freak and process-oriented. If he can't control all of this, it drives him crazy. The sad part is that he's campaigning for this and Sankey seems to agree on some level.

Everything that Jimbo said was spot on. Saban is lucky he never had to answer to his recruiting and roster management practices. Everyone left him alone because it was agreed that he's the greatest CFB of this era (and all-time), so they just let him do whatever he wanted. Well, bud, the field has leveled a bit, and we're not going to sit here and hear all of your reasons for why EVERYONE ELSE utilizing the Bama method is wrong for the sport.

What an a hole.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
He's trying to sorcerer this whole process so he can control it. He wants to control how this is framed. He is famously a control freak and process-oriented. If he can't control all of this, it drives him crazy. The sad part is that he's campaigning for this and Sankey seems to agree on some level.

Everything that Jimbo was said was spot on. Saban is lucky he never had to answer to his recruiting and roster management practices. Everyone left him alone because it was agreed that he's the greatest CFB of this era (and all-time), so they just let him do whatever he wanted. Well, bud, the field has leveled a bit, and we're not going to sit here and hear all of your reasons for why EVERYONE ELSE utilizing the Bama method is wrong for the sport.

What an a hole.
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He’s also campaigning his own fanbase to get better at NIL or they will be left in the dust
 
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Saban wins if a cap is enacted. Because the players still get their NIL money and Saban can talk about how proud he is of them doing that.

Then turn right around and STILL get guys money under the table beyond whatever the cap is. He wants to use his boosters, his lawyers, his rewards system, his allocated budget, all the things he stood up 15 years ago that have been the lifeblood of their success. In the NIL era, all of that is no longer an edge. He needs it to go all the way back (won't happen) or some of the way back so he can still use his old methods. That's his only edge.

His machine was built for the old way. And he had the benefit of his machine having some sort of stealth technology so no one ever looked or cared. Well, now everyone has their machine and his stealth technology is obsolete.
 
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Voltime123 said:
He’s also campaigning his own fanbase to get better at NIL or they will be left in the dust
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Yes he was using the media to get more out of his Elephant Club or whatever the booster club is called. It's all between the lines - "We finished 2 and didn't have to pay. The guys that are willing to pay beat us. Imagine how much better we could be if pay. Imagine how many more people will jump us if we don't."
 
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BigSteve09 said:
Timing of Saban public comments this afternoon, followed by the immediate release of the SEC reprimand, just proves that Saban and Sankey are in constant communication.
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Yes. And we already parsed in advance earlier today the new lie that saintly Saban "for the children" was going to tell today and how he set it up by the way he expressed his foul deceits and crooked representations yesterday. :rolleyes:

Instead of posting a letter, Skankey may as well have delivered his remarks orally with Saban's Vienna sausage in his pie hole. In all important respects, Skankey is a member of the bammer AD office and a Saban direct report. Kirby is grafted in because he knows where the bodies are buried at bammer.
 
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