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BigOrangeTrain said:
This is an absolutely laughable take. Fulmer was cheating. So was Spurrier, Chizik, Brown, Carrol, Smart, Dabo. Heck go back to Tom Osborne. He was cheating. THEY HAVE ALL CHEATED. I get it. As TN fans we want to come up with any and every excuse known to man to try and out Saban down because he owns us. It’s stupid. There is absolutely no tarnishing his legacy. He is the GOAT and it’s not close.

So was he cheating at LSU? He probably was. But here is the thing. It’s one thing to cheat. But he has cheated and won at a rate unseen in college football history. It doesn’t matter if you cheat. Hell Pruitt cheated and we lost big time. Let me ask you this, let’s say Saban came here in 2009 and had the run he has had. You saying the same thing? Yeah likely no. And if you say otherwise you are lying out of your azz. The only reason so many of you are butthurt is because you think this revelation (not really one) gives you justification to say Saban isn’t the GOAT. Just stop it.

Using your logic, there are no good HCs.
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I would be saying the same thing many Bama fans were saying up until last week. Of course we cheat, so does everyone, we are just better at it and we have a coach who is the GOAT and maximizes it better than anyone else.

BUT - after last week I would also be cautiously wondering if our coach can compete in this new paradigm where the talent advantage could and will be neutralized. He didn’t win like he is now at LSU and we all saw what happened when he was forced to compete with equal talent in the pros. Saban gets marks for organizing the cheating machine that Bama is into an unstoppable force. However his chops at coaching without a cheating advantage is yet to be determined.

That doesn’t take away from what he has done. He’s obviously rattled about this and doesn’t like the fact that TAM beat him on and off the field in a 12 month window.

We’ll see how this plays out. But it will be extremely telling if there is a marked drop off in rings and wins when the talent gap is closed even marginally across the board.

Is he the GOAT? Sure. How much of it was his coaching or being the beneficiary of an engrained cheating system unparalleled anywhere else he’s been? All we know is one half of that question is going away in a hurry.
 
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rjd970 said:
I would be saying the same thing many Bama fans were saying up until last week. Of course we cheat, so does everyone, we are just better at it and we have a coach who is the GOAT and maximizes it better than anyone else.

BUT - after last week I would also be cautiously wondering if our coach can compete in this new paradigm where the talent advantage could and will be neutralized. He didn’t win like he is now at LSU and we all saw what happened when he was forced to compete with equal talent in the pros. Saban gets marks for organizing the cheating machine that Bama is into an unstoppable force. However his chops at coaching without a cheating advantage is yet to be determined.

That doesn’t take away from what he has done. He’s obviously rattled about this and doesn’t like the fact that TAM beat him on and off the field in a 12 month window.

We’ll see how this plays out. But it will be extremely telling if there is a marked drop off in rings and wins when the talent gap is closed even marginally across the board.

Is he the GOAT? Sure. How much of it was his coaching or being the beneficiary of an engrained cheating system unparalleled anywhere else he’s been? All we know is one half of that question is going away in a hurry.
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See your last few sentences is a problem. You are assuming the cheating at Bama has been unrivaled. You got any proof of that? No. You are just taking what Jimbo said and running with it. Even if you cheat and get the best players there are, do you honestly believe that equates to his success? Does it help? Sure.

Think about this. Many on here say Smart isn’t an elite HC. They have said he has Bama level talent yet really couldn’t win the big one until this past year. So that means Smart was cheating on Bama level. OSU was likely as well under Meyer. How many NCs did he win? If simply getting the best players is such a huge advantage, then why hasn’t Smart and Meyer won more?

So at the end of his coaching career, you are going to use this current system as a gauge of his legendary coaching status? Sorry but that’s just flawed. Like I said, TN fans want to find any way to denigrate Saban because of his greatness. I get it. But it makes those doing so look lame.
 
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jave36 said:
Jimbo is a perfect example of "the guilty proclaim their innocence the loudest." All he had to do was say, "hey, they changed the rules, we took advantage of it, and we stayed within those new rules the whole time." I think eventually we're going to see that they were not quite staying within even the generous new rules.
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I've done a lot of reading and there's little to no agreement about what the generous new rules actually are. The only thing everyone seems to agree on is that if the NCAA tries to enforce anything, they'll be sued for antitrust violation and lose. I doubt Jimbo and A&M are too concerned about NCAA enforcement because there's no guilt or innocence left to enforce in cfb.

I think Fisher was upset because he wants the acclaim for being a great coach rather than just a guy who won a championship because his team spent more money. He basically said, "Saban is only the 'GOAT' because he paid more than everybody else, but I'm doing it the right way."
 
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UTProf said:
They're annoying but the cops literally fried the dude. He weaved away from them and stopped for gas and the dummies fired a taser AFTER having knocked over the bike and being aware that they'd just spilled gas all over the place (even shouted on his bodycam footage that there was gas). The officer then fired his taser into all of it and set the rider, himself and 2 other cops on fire because he caused a vapor explosion. The rider however is the only one that got burnt to a crisp. They have charged that cop with misdemeanor negligence and tbh, I don't know if it's the only thing they had or what but it seems like that's pretty low considering he set everyone including two other cops on fire.

I just genuinely don't get a wheelie being a felony though. How is a wheelie a felony???
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I don’t really feels sorry for people that run from the police. Don’t really care that he got set on fire either. The cops didn’t do it on purpose (although it was kind of dumb). People get killed all the time in wrecks caused by people running. He wouldn’t be in the situation he is if he would have just pulled over.
 
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GiggerVol said:
My dad loved to crumble up cornbread in a glass of buttermilk. I tried it when I was probably 9 or 10 and didn't really care for it. But just like our taste buds change over the years, I began to occasionally enjoy a cold glass of buttermilk and eventually learned that one of the best things to do after a long night of drinking is to drink a glass of buttermilk just before bed, Seriously, I would never wake up with a hangover, headache, or wanting to throw up after I started doing that.
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That's pretty neat. I looked up buttermilk and hangovers and apparently it's a part of Irish folklore that it cures a hangover and is mentioned in other cultures too as something that helps hangovers. Science wise it's a natural probiotic so it's good for your gut but alas science hasn't been able to back anything up on hangover cures.

Personally, I think you might've found something that worked for you. I once found that whenever I ate a ton of bacon before consuming alcohol I never got sick with a hangover. I thought maybe the fat absorb it. Sounds crazy but whenever I ate bacon beforehand no hangover - lol.

Apparently I was wrong on the why but right about bacon helping:
Bacon sandwich really does cure a hangover
 
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UTProf said:
It was a joke because you accidentally posted 3 times not over the content of what you were saying. I know packs can be dangerous on the road but popping a wheelie in and of itself should be treated more like reckless driving like TN does.
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"Can be dangerous"..? No...they are dangerous. If it was just their own dumb selves they endangered I wouldn't give a crap.

I need to clarify that I absolutely do not think the idiot should have been fried to a crisp...but there were a lot of times that I would have loved to have tasered the little pricks.

If the dude had not had gasolihe on him it would have been funny instead of tragic.

I have no problems with cops tasering those idiots when they do finally get the chance....most of the time they get away and hide before the cops can catch them.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
"Can be dangerous"..? No...they are dangerous. If it was just their own dumb selves they endangered I wouldn't give a crap.

I need to clarify that I absolutely do not think the idiot should have been fried to a crisp...but there were a lot of times that I would have loved to have tasered the little pricks.

If the dude had not had gasolihe on him it would have been funny instead of tragic.

I have no problems with cops tasering those idiots when they do finally get the chance....most of the time they get away and hide before the cops can catch them.
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Not every group of bikers acts dangerous tho. For most motorcyclists those in the giant steel cage are the dangerous ones. (You brake hard at the wrong time - they die - you *might* get a ding from their bike on your bumper to remember the event by). You change lanes without paying attention - they get swiped and can die. You don't even get a scratch. That's not justifying the ones acting aggressive because they're in a group but to put things in perspective while we are all out on the road. Even the most aggressive motorcyclist is in far more danger than you are.

The ones that are acting out in packs are too dumb to realize the danger they're putting themselves in and if they don't realize that there's little reason to think they have any clue that they're putting drivers at risk too. That to me is the definition of reckless driving tho and we have penalties to deal with it.

And I know you're not callous enough to think burning the man alive is the way to deal with the issue. I'm a little surprised that volkano is ok with that. I'm going to be generous in my heart and think that's because he doesn't understand the full horror burn victims go through (it really is one of the worst things that can ever happen to a human). What burn victims (including chemical burn victims) have to go through is on a level I wish on no one. It's a living horror.
 
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GiggerVol said:
My dad loved to crumble up cornbread in a glass of buttermilk. I tried it when I was probably 9 or 10 and didn't really care for it. But just like our taste buds change over the years, I began to occasionally enjoy a cold glass of buttermilk and eventually learned that one of the best things to do after a long night of drinking is to drink a glass of buttermilk just before bed, Seriously, I would never wake up with a hangover, headache, or wanting to throw up after I started doing that.
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I guess you just love you all kinds of milk....
 
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