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At 23.6 mph, Squirrel White could run from New York to Los Angeles (2,779.2 mi) in 5 days. Maybe 2-3 weeks if you add in sleeping and eating.

Compare to Forrest Gump:
Gump runs for three years, two months, 14 days and 16 hours. He crosses the United States almost five times before deciding that it’s finally time to go home again.
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It took Forrest Gump on average 1.5 years to cross the country, and he is thought to be the one of the fastest players in Alabama Football history, according to legend.

Something to think about.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
If I told you that their logo is also two birds making passionate love, would it turn you on even more?

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Can't unsee that. It's hilarious!
 
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AstonRoyal said:
Yeah sorry I'm not trying to be argumentative but I really don't see your arguement. And I'm not sayings that 3 stars are bad or anything, I'm just saying you can’t build a championship team with them, which should be our goal.

If that data is accurate then statistically there's a higher percent that you get a draft worthy player when you have a team full of five stars and four stars. So if my percentages are accurate if you recruited 20 players that are four stars, 21% of them are going to be draft worthy players. If you recruit 20 3 stars, only 6.4% of them end up being draft worthy.

And it makes sense, there's a reason 247 talked about national champions being comprised of a certain percentage of what they call blue chip players. You actually want to be going after the same players that the best teams are going for.

And I get that you want to feel better about 3 stars, but the reality is that for us to compete for championships, we gotta recruit the top tier players.

But if you want to go just by volume, how about all of the best Tennessee players in the past few years:
-Jauan Jennings - 4 star (nfl)
-Derek Barnet - 4 star (nfl)
-Trey Smith - 5 Star (nfl)
-Hendon Hooker - 4 star
-AJ Johnson - 4 Stars (nfl undrafted)
-Jaylen Reeves Maybin - 4 star (nfl)
-Justin Hunter - 4 star (nfl)
-Curt Maggit - 4 star
-Marquez Callaway - 4 star (nfl undrafted)
-Josh Dobbs - 4 star (nfl)
-Raijon Neal - 4 star (nfl undrafted)
-Marques North - 4 star
-Robert Meachem- 5 star (nfl)
-Tiny Richardson - 4 star
-Cordarelle Patterson - JuCo 4 Star (nfl)
-Tyler Bray - 4 Star (nfl)
-Eric Berry - 5 Star (nfl)
-Erik Ainge - 4 Star (nfl)
-Montario Hardesty - 4 Star (nfl)
-Alvin Karmara - 4 Star (nfl)
-Juwan James - 5 Star? (nfl)

Hell even the ones we don't wanna talk about were 4+ stars
-Jalen Hurd - 5 stars (nfl)
-Henry To'o To'o - 4 stars
-Eric Gray - 4 stars
-Da'Rick Rogers - 5 stars (say what you want about him but he made an NFL team undrafted, albiet a VERY short stint)


I mean the only good players I can think of that were 3 stars and below were (and I know I'm missing some so sorry):
-Emanual Mosley - 2 stars
-Cedric Tillman - 2 stars
-Cam Sutton - 3 stars
-Arian Foster - I'm pretty sure he wasn't even ranked?
-Nick Reviez - 0 stars (we think he was good right?)
-John Kelly Jr - 3 stars (nfl)

Have we missed on 4 and 5 stars, sure but that just tells me that we need to get more 4 and 5 stars to balance out the once who do bust because if 21% of 4 stars are indeed draft worthy, then that means that 79% are not. And if 4.2% of 3 stars get draft, that means that 95.8% do not.

Sorry, I'm trying to be open minded here considering most of our players are 3 stars, but the data just does not support that we, or anyone for that matter, can build a top tier team with mostly 3 stars and below. But whatever we gotta tells ourselves to feel better I guess haha.
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So if a school signed a lot of those 3 stars that got drafted instead of the statistically better 4 stars that did not they would not be a better team?

Star based statistics are so flawed because the services using the best info available, hand a bunch of HS juniors 4 stars as the best 300 to 400 players and then if that does not play out Do not bump them back to 3 stars. Then to keep their roadmaps in line don’t have enough star slots left to elevate the late bloomers.

Then after 3-4 years some properly rated low star guys explode into ball players too and get drafted instead of the higher star guys too.

Percentages aside how else did 450 low star guys get drafted while about 250 4 stars did and 1000 did not? BTW what happened to the 40% of the 5 stars that did not get drafted over that same 3 year period?

I simply don’t think the accuracy of the star givers can be used to prove anything other than it is an impossible task.

It goes back to the ole meeting for a CEO. He asked accounting WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS and they supplied them. Then he asked a statistician WHAT DO THE NUMBERS SAY?
To which the statistician replied. WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO SAY?

Bet the heavy hitters are not blindly digging into the 4 star pool, but only in the upper reaches. That data will be hard to find.
 
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MarcoVol said:
How?

The comment was made they schedule 3 cupcakes.

WE ALSO schedule 3 cupcakes.

I’m not arguing anything else. Just that we both schedule 3 cupcakes.

How does that fail?
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“We also” mucks up your deniability. If the two programs aren’t equal in strength of schedule on an annual basis…your argument has no merit.
 
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MarcoVol said:
I don’t even know what point you’re trying to make.

I believe it is a toss up game, yes.

Shootout last year, who knows what our D looks like, prob been hearing too much Levis hype and it’s gotten in my head, etc.

Whatever the reasons, yes, I believe it’s a toss up. I hope I’m wrong and we win by 60.
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I've made the point to you several times. I couldn't care less what % chance you give UK in the game.

The point is that you went out of your way to correct a Vol fan on VN about THEIR opinion on UK's chances, for whatever reason. And then you had to make disingenuous arguments to defend having done so, and continue doing so.

It's explicit. I even posted the official definition of the start of the conversation. A "toss-up" is something that has a statistically equal chance of happening or not happening. It's a 50/50 prospect. But in order to defend an opportunity to **** on a fan's view of the game, you quickly had to change the argument/accusation from "50/50 chance" to 'automatic win".

So, the conversation actually went:

VN: I think UT has a better chance of winning that game than UK.
You clutched your pearls and raced in to inform everyone that UK has JUST AS MUCH chance as we do, and reminded us of the score last year.
Several folks gave rational reasons for liking UT over Uk this year.
You doubled down by changing the criteria from 50/50 (original criteria) to accusing us of claiming 100/0 UT's chances (which wasn't the actual claim that you were responding to).

It's disingenuous. It's a bad look. It's a worse look to sit here acting oblivious of it having happened.

Look, I generally like your posting. But the past 24 hours, you've been creating opportunities to **** on VN opinions about the two programs, even playing fast and loose with conversations to create/defend the opportunity to do so. As far as I'm concerned you post your contrarian opinions all you want. I'm contrary all the time. But when you give every indication that you're being disingenuous to do so, expect to be called on it. And expect people to attribute agenda when you're misreprenting arguiments so that you can make your contrarian argument.
 
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MarcoVol said:
I don’t even know what point you’re trying to make.

I believe it is a toss up game, yes.

Shootout last year, who knows what our D looks like, prob been hearing too much Levis hype and it’s gotten in my head, etc.

Whatever the reasons, yes, I believe it’s a toss up. I hope I’m wrong and we win by 60.
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I also hadn't realized we had to either chalk Kentucky up as a Vandy-like guarantee or turn in our fan card.
 
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I would be surprised if we sweep UK, SC, Mizzou and Vandy again this year. In a rush to proclaim we are on our way back, I think fans were too quick to call that an expectation rather than what it was, a hell of an achievement in year one.

Vandy is an FCS team sure, but those other three teams are not the trash can programs they used to be.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
I would be surprised if we sweep UK, SC, Mizzou and Vandy again this year. In a rush to proclaim we are on our way back, I think fans were too quick to call that an expectation rather than what it was, a hell of an achievement in year one.

Vandy is an FCS team sure, but those other three teams are not the trash can programs they used to be.
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I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest. Of the three, KY will be the biggest challenge. But we are to KY what FL has been to us. The other 3 teams we handled fairly easily. And I know some pundits are in love with Beamer and love to crow about how much better they will be this year, but to that, I say prove it. So no, I won't be surprised in the slightest to sweep those 4 teams, and no Vol fan should.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Y'all got all over his ass because he called it a toss up game. It is a toss up game. Anyone outside of this sub forum would call it a toss up game lol.
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On "his ass" because he vehemently argued with us over not being concerned about that game. We own them in every season other than an epically bad one. Just FACTS. :cool:
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Y'all got all over his ass because he called it a toss up game. It is a toss up game. Anyone outside of this sub forum would call it a toss up game lol.
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Every game is actually a toss-up game, that's why we play the games. But we should definitely be favored in 3-4 of those games, and truthfully, I'd favor us in all 4. Who cares what people outside of this sub forum think? If they want to come here and express their opinions, I'll gladly tell them I think they're wrong.
 
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orangejuice said:
Name the last season we weren’t in camp waiting on eligibility of a potential starter.
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Feels like awhile, but were we last year? I honestly can't remember.

Covid years hardly exist in my memory bank. Otherwise I'd guess pre-portal...'17 or '16.
 
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Weezer said:
Every game is actually a toss-up game, that's why we play the games. But we should definitely be favored in 3-4 of those games, and truthfully, I'd favor us in all 4. Who cares what people outside of this sub forum think? If they want to come here and express their opinions, I'll gladly tell them I think they're wrong.
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UT-Martin is a toss-up?!

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Ten_Titans said:
I would be surprised if we sweep UK, SC, Mizzou and Vandy again this year. In a rush to proclaim we are on our way back, I think fans were too quick to call that an expectation rather than what it was, a hell of an achievement in year one.

Vandy is an FCS team sure, but those other three teams are not the trash can programs they used to be.
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Rattler could help improve USCe quite a bit vs last year. They won’t be world beaters but I doubt we’re up by 4 TDs or whatever it was at the end of the 1st quarter again.
 
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