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I've just got to share how proud I am of my son. We moved to a new county that has a much better public school system last year. He was in 6th grade which was still elementary school in this county. The entire year I felt like he was slacking off and his grades weren't what they could be and I kept getting on to him and really being hard on him. However, we got some end of the year testing that he did very well in and we also recently got his FSA scores (FL's version of placement testing)and they were very good. So, I was proud but still a little frustrated that he didn't work harder during the school year since I know what he can do.

Yesterday, I was able to take some time off work to take him to orientation for seventh grade at the junior high. Every class that he is in is an advanced class which really surprised me. For his elective class, he chose business typing. When he goes into 8th grade that same teacher will teach an Information Technology course. As part of that course, the students go around school and work on the teacher's computers even going as far as taking them apart and learning how to work on them. If he then follows that path in 9th, 10th and 11th grade he will receive an industry level certification in IT. I can't remember the name of the certification but the teacher mentioned that his mother-in-law is hiring right now for people with that certification and the career starts at $110,000 a year. So he can go to his senior year, graduate and immediately start a career making six figures or he can continue with school and will have 24 credits towards college.

Kudos to our county for instituting such an amazing program and I couldn't be more proud of my son and I love seeing how excited he is for the future. Just one of those great times to be a dad and he got to see/hear me eat some crow and really let him know just how proud I am of him. That said, he better work his butt off going forward. And I'll be there every step of the way to help him and make sure he does.

TL, DR. Cool story bruh.

There are some very good programs out there. My nephew graduated high school this past spring. The funny thing was, he graduated a week earlier from Motlow community college with his Associate's degree. He is starting at MTSU in a few weeks as a Junior and will graduate in two years with a degree in Mechatronics (some engineering program). Supposedly people with that degree are starting out near six figures and if you get a master's then you basically write your own salary on a napkin and slide it across the table.
 
Less Rocky Top? No woo? Are you people actually AL fans?

I get what you're saying but I think some of the younger kids and recruits have a different view of how much we repeat Rocky Top. I love that it means good things have happened but you have to admit that we wear it the hell out, especially in a Josh Heupel offense. I wonder if the band wishes that we would switch it up more? Any former POTS band members or parents of members have thoughts on this?
 
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No but they significantly affect whether they go over the fences. People argue the old timers used greenies but being alert wasn’t what made Brady Anderson an outlier 50 HR hitter in a season. Fact is McGwire, Sosa and Bonds have no homerun records without the juice. That’s an asterisk.
The same argument I make on the days I want to dismiss them. But, it was the era, b...everyone was on them, except Jr.

Still, I've always said Ruth is the GOAT, his pitching being what seperates him; and, Hank is right up there behind him. And, as far as Ruth's pitching, have you ever seen what he did on the mound in the World Series? This from an article by Bleacher Report...

In the five years that Babe was a regular part of the Red Sox rotation, he won an ERA title (1.75 in 1916) and was in the top 10 in wins and WHIP three times each.
He finished his career with the 11th-best winning percentage of all time (.671), the 17th-best career ERA of all time (2.28) and 94 career wins.
And he was even better in the postseason.
In two trips to the World Series as a pitcher, he made three starts, won all three, and posted an insane 0.87 ERA. Along the way he set a record for longest scoreless streak in the World Series, going 29.7 innings without surrendering a run.
That record would stand more than four decades until 1961 when Whitey Ford finally broke it.
 
I’m just joking around. Not gonna make anyone woo.
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There are some very good programs out there. My nephew graduated high school this past spring. The funny thing was, he graduated a week earlier from Motlow community college with his Associate's degree. He is starting at MTSU in a few weeks as a Junior and will graduate in two years with a degree in Mechatronics (some engineering program). Supposedly people with that degree are starting out near six figures and if you get a master's then you basically write your own salary on a napkin and slide it across the table.

That's amazing! I like that school systems are getting creative with ways to start kids out in a good place as they become young adults and encourage them to continue their education or provide them with an opportunity to make a great salary if they decide not to go to college. 20, 30 or 40 years ago you had a ton of kids that dropped out after only a year or two of high school and I like that kids are being motivated not to drop out and are given clear incentives to stay in school so they can have a great life instead of doing what a lot of people did in the past which lead to financial struggles for most of their lives.
 
I get what you're saying but I think some of the younger kids and recruits have a different view of how much we repeat Rocky Top. I love that it means good things have happened but you have to admit that we wear it the hell out, especially in a Josh Heupel offense. I wonder if the band wishes that we would switch it up more? Any former POTS band members or parents of members have thoughts on this?
They do play Down the Field after a touchdown through kicking the extra point before Rocky Top. The trombones actually have an assigned member that caries a counter to keep track of how many times they play it in a season. All that to say…there’s no quicker way to get the crowd back into a game than playing Rocky Top...and that is usually directed by the athletics department during a game.
 
That's amazing! I like that school systems are getting creative with ways to start kids out in a good place as they become young adults and encourage them to continue their education or provide them with an opportunity to make a great salary if they decide not to go to college. 20, 30 or 40 years ago you had a ton of kids that dropped out after only a year or two of high school and I like that kids are being motivated not to drop out and are given clear incentives to stay in school so they can have a great life instead of doing what a lot of people did in the past which lead to financial struggles for most of their lives.

One of the worst things that many school systems did was to remove vocational programs like auto repair, home economics, carpentry, plumbing, etc. Not everyone wants or needs to go to college. If a kid has an aptitude for auto repair and has no desire to go to college, why should there not be a program that would allow them to gain more knowledge in that area so they leave high school and have industry certifications that would help them find great jobs in the field they enjoy. Just because a person has a college degree doesn't mean that they are smart. Shoot, I have a Bachelor's in Business Admin and an MBA.....so point made.
 
One of the worst things that many school systems did was to remove vocational programs like auto repair, home economics, carpentry, plumbing, etc. Not everyone wants or needs to go to college. If a kid has an aptitude for auto repair and has no desire to go to college, why should there not be a program that would allow them to gain more knowledge in that area so they leave high school and have industry certifications that would help them find great jobs in the field they enjoy. Just because a person has a college degree doesn't mean that they are smart. Shoot, I have a Bachelor's in Business Admin and an MBA.....so point made.

THIS 1,000,000 TIMES !!!

This opportunity to get acquainted with a trade is paramount to the success of almost any economy.

Opportunity is everywhere !!!
 
Weighing in on the question of whether or not the Kentucky game is a toss-up –

Last year we had a first year staff and had suffered significant attrition of key talent post-2020. Kentucky was in the 9th year of the Stoops regime.

We’ve beat Kentucky 7 times during the Stoops regime and the only 2 times we lost we fired our coaching staff (2017 Butch Jones and 2020 Jeremy Pruitt).

The only other time we’ve lost to Kentucky since 1984 was in 2011 and Dooley was fired before the 2012 game with the Cats, which we won.

One would think it an apparent fineable offense for a Tennessee coach to lose to Kentucky in football the way things have played out. jmo.

Last year Kentucky won 10 games against a schedule that had on average a losing record, 6.38 – 6.46. Our schedule last year went on average 7.69 – 5.31. But Kentucky won 10 games one might say; if we had won 10 games maybe the combined schedule of our opponents last year would look different. If we had beat Pitt, Ole Miss, and Purdue and thus they had lost those games, we would have won 10 games against a schedule that on average still would've went 7.46 – 5.54.

We played 5 teams last year that won 10 or more games; Kentucky played 2 and one of those was against Iowa which lost to 9-win Purdue in the regular season. Iowa scored 7 points against the Purdue defense last year; we scored 45, 52 if you count the TD robbed from Jaylen Wright.

One measure some analysts promote for efficiency is focused on 1st downs and touchdowns, the claim being that 1D+TD are a better measure of how well you move the ball down the field or inhibit your opponent’s ability to do the same.

Here are the comparisons of our units against the 6 common opponents we shared with Kentucky last year looking at 1D+TD.
  • For rush offense the score was in our favor 4-1-1.
  • For pass offense the score was in our favor 5-1.
  • For total offense the score was in our favor 6-0.
  • For rush defense the score was in their favor 2-4 (we couldn’t stop QB scrambles).
  • For pass defense the score was in our favor 5-1.
  • For total defense the score was in our favor 4-2.
One of the more striking things about last year is that Kentucky’s pass defense efficiency was worse than ours and they didn’t face Pittsburgh (1st round NFL QB and Biletnikoff award winner), Alabama (Heisman QB plus a 1st round WR and a 2nd round WR), or Purdue, three teams with passing offenses ranked in the top 8 in the nation. It was no accident that Hooker torched Kentucky’s secondary for 4 TDs and over 300 yards, all in less than 14 minutes of total possession time on his way to a passer rating of 273.72. It was Hooker’s highest mark on the year.

There’s no doubt that Kentucky is a marginally improved program under Mark Stoops but the idea the Cats will one day be able to compete for the East seems a bit preposterous, moreso when one realizes they have to first get past Tennessee. jmo.

Over the past 37 years we’ve won the Kentucky game 92% of the time and during the Stoops regime we’ve won 78% of the time. Those numbers are not in the toss-up range. jmo.

 
You are absolutely right. If I did not think that he had the capability to do better then I would have praised him for his efforts, no matter what grades he made. But I know how sharp his mind is and I also know that I was very similar in not fully applying myself but I also was still able to make mostly A's and some B's without fully applying myself and then would score in the 99th percentile of all the TCAP tests. I believe it's harder now for gifted children to skate by in class without really trying and still make good grades. His grades weren't bad but a couple of C's and the rest B's is not what he is capable of.

I will say that the school systems in Florida almost always start the elementary kids with low grades in the first couple of grading periods and then increase their grades later in the year as they obtain mastery of the concepts. I don't like that way of measuring aptitude because it makes it hard for a parent to really know their children's abilities in school at a young age and it also makes it hard to judge if they are truly applying themselves. You end up having to talk to the teachers and find out that your kids are doing fine despite low grades early in the year and then all of a sudden the grades jump later in the year. But my son's final grades this past year didn't jump to a very high level like previous years. It took the testing to show what he really knew.
😩 Y’all sound like my son and tons of kids I taught! That can be so frustrating to a parent.

Don’t understand that grading system. Seems to be more about showing how much the teacher is teaching through the year than how much the student is learning at the beginning. Might encourage teachers to give better grades at the end to make themselves look good.
 
I get what you're saying but I think some of the younger kids and recruits have a different view of how much we repeat Rocky Top. I love that it means good things have happened but you have to admit that we wear it the hell out, especially in a Josh Heupel offense. I wonder if the band wishes that we would switch it up more? Any former POTS band members or parents of members have thoughts on this?

There are far worse things than overplaying RT...FSU war chant, for example.
 
One of the worst things that many school systems did was to remove vocational programs like auto repair, home economics, carpentry, plumbing, etc. Not everyone wants or needs to go to college. If a kid has an aptitude for auto repair and has no desire to go to college, why should there not be a program that would allow them to gain more knowledge in that area so they leave high school and have industry certifications that would help them find great jobs in the field they enjoy. Just because a person has a college degree doesn't mean that they are smart. Shoot, I have a Bachelor's in Business Admin and an MBA.....so point made.

I agree completely. There needs to be the college path, the technical path and a vocational path where you work with your hands. Different people have different skills and I consider myself pretty intelligent and I make fairly good money but there are lots of people who work with their hands and would have what is considered a "lesser" job but they have skills and things that I have no clue about. I always try to go into every situation where I meet someone with the thought that there is something I can possibly learn from them.

My mother went to college and became a teacher before her mental illness caused her not to be able to work. I argued with her for a good portion of my life that a college education is not the only way to determine if someone is smart. She was one of those types who thought people who worked with their hands were less intelligent and it always pissed me off. Just because she went to college and because her father was a doctor doesn't reflect at all on another person's intelligence if they did not have as much education. Maybe they learn differently, maybe their skills lie in other places or maybe they just didn't have the opportunities that she did. I'm not a college graduate and I have made more consistently than she ever would have with the degree that she got. That's not me trying to brag, just pointing out that a degree does not make someone better and also teachers are underpaid.
 
They do play Down the Field after a touchdown through kicking the extra point before Rocky Top. The trombones actually have an assigned member that caries a counter to keep track of how many times they play it in a season. All that to say…there’s no quicker way to get the crowd back into a game than playing Rocky Top...and that is usually directed by the athletics department during a game.

Just a different way to put into perspective what type of turnaround we had last year the band played Rockytop 348 times.

In 2020 they played Rockytop 59 times.
 
Running back Jaylen Wright continues to be limited and again was working on the side with a strength-and-conditioning staffer.

Cornerback Kamal Hadden was present, but again was not practicing.

Offensive lineman Jerome Carvin was also not practicing on Saturday. He was in his jersey with no shoulder pads and went through stretch before remaining inside when the rest of the offensive line went outside for individual drills. Possibly a maintenance day and certainly precautionary for the veteran.

Cornerback Christian Charles and safety Cheyenne Labruzza continue to practice in red non-contact jerseys.

Recently-added transfer running back Lyn-J Dixon now has his name on the back of his No. 23 practice jersey as he went through his second workout after joining the Vols this week.

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The defensive line went through its usual agility and technique work. Again, we’ll see how they fair when the full pads are on but there’s a lot of players who look good physically.

The linebacker split into two groups on the far field and worked on their footwork, run reads and filling their gaps. Jeremy Banks looks lively and Juwan Mitchell indeed appears to be healthy. Freshman Kalib Perry is a good-looking prospect, too – at 6-foot-3 and almost a deceptive 228 pounds, he has a frame that could allow him to get bigger and stronger without losing much of his athleticism.

Haven’t watched the tight ends much so far this week, but checked them out as Alex Goleshhad them getting closely acquainted with a blocking sled. He colorfully demanded his players use violent hands as they struck the bag, lifted it and drove their feet in one motion.

Tennessee’s offensive line appeared to switch up some positions for its players with Carvin, the starting left guard, not out there. The center trio of Cooper Mays, Parker Ball and Addison Nichols remained the same. But Jackson Lampley (normally works at right guard) got some left-guard reps along with Ollie Lane and Savion Herring. Freshman Mo Clipper Jr.typically has worked at left guard, but was with the right guards along with Javontez Spragginsand fellow rookie Masai Reddick.

No change in the tackle reps: Darnell Wright, Dayne Davis, William Parker and Brian Grantwere on the right side, and Jeremiah Crawford, Gerald Mincey and RJ Perry on the left side.

Caught just one final round of routes-on-air with the quarterbacks and wide receivers. Jalin Hyatt had a nice catch on a low-ish pass from Hendon Hooker, Jimmy Calloway was hollered at for not tucking the football after his catch on a slant and Walker Merrill had a drop and Bru McCoy continues to look more comfortable as he adjusts to his new team.
 
I agree completely. There needs to be the college path, the technical path and a vocational path where you work with your hands. Different people have different skills and I consider myself pretty intelligent and I make fairly good money but there are lots of people who work with their hands and would have what is considered a "lesser" job but they have skills and things that I have no clue about. I always try to go into every situation where I meet someone with the thought that there is something I can possibly learn from them.

My mother went to college and became a teacher before her mental illness caused her not to be able to work. I argued with her for a good portion of my life that a college education is not the only way to determine if someone is smart. She was one of those types who thought people who worked with their hands were less intelligent and it always pissed me off. Just because she went to college and because her father was a doctor doesn't reflect at all on another person's intelligence if they did not have as much education. Maybe they learn differently, maybe their skills lie in other places or maybe they just didn't have the opportunities that she did. I'm not a college graduate and I have made more consistently than she ever would have with the degree that she got. That's not me trying to brag, just pointing out that a degree does not make someone better and also teachers are underpaid.

If it wasn't for auto mechanics, HVAC technicians, plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc we would have nothing and we would quickly descend into chaos.
 
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