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#776
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85SugarVol said:
If you think it’s ok in 2018 to call someone “Oriental”, you were probably one of the last people to be using other terms that would get you fired today if your employer saw you using them on your public social media account.
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Can you call someone middle eastern?
 
#777
#777
LaagerVol said:
Can you call someone middle eastern?
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It’s not the same.

Asian. Middle Eastern. African. American. European.

Those are generic geographical designations.

“Oriental” is a loaded term, fraught with stereotypical imagery. If you can’t see that, there's nothing else to say.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Don't know man, I'm not the expert on this subject. All I know is that calling someone Oriental is offensive and has been for decades. Rugs = oriental. People = Asian.
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This really is not that difficult. I am not sure why so many people are struggling with it.
 
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85SugarVol said:
It’s not the same.

Asian. Middle Eastern. African. American. European.

Those are generic geographical designations.

“Oriental” is a loaded term, fraught with stereotypical imagery. If you can’t see that, there's nothing else to say.
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Middle East isn’t a continent. It’s an area, like the orient.

Btw, I don’t remember being disparaging to anyone on the other side of this debate.
 
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85SugarVol said:
You got a twitter account? Facebook page?
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WTH does that have to do with anything? I have had both. Don’t have them now bc there is too much drama.

Just bc someone has a different opinion doesn’t make them racist like you inferred earlier, doesn’t make them unintelligent, nor does it make them not savvy with social media. Just means they disagree.
 
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LaagerVol said:
It’s just differing opinions on what people think should and shouldn’t be offensive to someone.
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I know a number of Asians, including my daughter, and not one single one that I have ever met wants to be called an oriental. The term is offensive to them. That should be enough for anyone not to call them that. I honestly did not realize that the term was not cool until we started the adoption process for my daughter in 2004. I can see why people don't know it today, but the proper term is Asian.
 
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LaagerVol said:
WTH does that have to do with anything? I have had both. Don’t have them now bc there is too much drama.

Just bc someone has a different opinion doesn’t make them racist like you inferred earlier, doesn’t make them unintelligent, nor does it make them not savvy with social media. Just means they disagree.
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None of that was the reason for my question.

You think it’s ok to call Asian people Orientals in 2018?

Ok.

Post something to Twitter & Facebook along the lines of “Man, did you see all the Orientals at last nights Angel’s game where Shoei pitched?”

Tag your employers public account.

Bet you won’t :wink2:
 
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drvenner said:
I know a number of Asians, including my daughter, and not one single one that I have ever met wants to be called an oriental. The term is offensive to them. That should be enough for anyone not to call them that. I honestly did not realize that the term was not cool until we started the adoption process for my daughter in 2004. I can see why people don't know it today, but the proper term is Asian.
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This. I have multiple friends and colleagues from Asia (mostly Chinese & Korean). They all find the term offensive.

So it’s not that people don’t THINK it’s offensive. They don’t CARE....
 
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drvenner said:
I know a number of Asians, including my daughter, and not one single one that I have ever met wants to be called an oriental. The term is offensive to them. That should be enough for anyone not to call them that. I honestly did not realize that the term was not cool until we started the adoption process for my daughter in 2004. I can see why people don't know it today, but the proper term is Asian.
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Honest question... Why do they find it offensive? I mean I think it means they originate from the "Orient". Is it because it isn't specific enough as to their heritage?
 
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drvenner said:
I know a number of Asians, including my daughter, and not one single one that I have ever met wants to be called an oriental. The term is offensive to them. That should be enough for anyone not to call them that. I honestly did not realize that the term was not cool until we started the adoption process for my daughter in 2004. I can see why people don't know it today, but the proper term is Asian.
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This probably doesn’t mean anything coming from a random internet guy but I think it’s awesome you guys went through the adoption process. I know it’s not about the recognition or anything but it’s a process that many overlook in everyday life and something I have a profound respect for.

I know a couple friends who have done it and it’s an amazing sacrifice and literally changes someone’s (and your) life forever. Kudos to you guys for stepping up
 
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drvenner said:
I know a number of Asians, including my daughter, and not one single one that I have ever met wants to be called an oriental. The term is offensive to them. That should be enough for anyone not to call them that. I honestly did not realize that the term was not cool until we started the adoption process for my daughter in 2004. I can see why people don't know it today, but the proper term is Asian.
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I just think that’s being overly sensitive. Is the orient an area? Like I said earlier, I don’t think I’ve ever referred to anyone as oriental. It just isn’t a derogatory term imo, any more than southern, or midwestern, nordish, middle eastern, or any other term that refers to an area where one is from.

Last I will say on the subject, that doesn’t make me unintelligent or backwards. I just think people find anything to be offended by. It’s where they are from.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Honest question... Why do they find it offensive? I mean I think it means they originate from the "Orient". Is it because it isn't specific enough as to their heritage?
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I think it goes back to the Vietnam War. Anyway, it is also outdated. No one says that they are are traveling to the orient, anymore.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
This probably doesn’t mean anything coming from a random internet guy but I think it’s awesome you guys went through the adoption process. I know it’s not about the recognition or anything but it’s a process that many overlook in everyday life and something I have a profound respect for.

I know a couple friends who have done it and it’s an amazing sacrifice and literally changes someone’s (and your) life forever. Kudos to you guys for stepping up
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Thank you very much for your kind words. They do mean a good deal to me. My daughter has been the biggest blessing in my life and far and away the best decision my wife and I ever made.
 
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LaagerVol said:
I just think that’s being overly sensitive. Is the orient an area? Like I said earlier, I don’t think I’ve ever referred to anyone as oriental. It just isn’t a derogatory term imo, any more than southern, or midwestern, nordish, middle eastern, or any other term that refers to an area where one is from.

Last I will say on the subject, that doesn’t make me unintelligent or backwards. I just think people find anything to be offended by. It’s where they are from.
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Go post about it on social media, under your real name.

See what happens.

Bet you won’t :wink2:
 
#799
#799
I’m with Ron, that this ultra offended PC generation is way too over the top, but fully agree with him on this.

Having lived in Asia for a decade, I have never heard the term “oriental” used at all... not once. Asian is completely accepted. When you can be more specific, you are more specific. I don’t even generally refer to everyone here in Thailand as “Thai’s”. There are multiple Hill tribes up here and there is a pride associated with being from your specific ethnic group. They wouldn’t be offended being called “Thai”, but to use the tribe communicates a deeper sense of understanding.

When someone knows I’m a Tennessean, that gets to my heart. If you say I’m a “farang”, derogatory term now almost universally accepted and used for all foreigners, it just shows you see my skin.

Just a little insight from a minority living in Asia
 
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According to Wikipedia, oriental became pejorative or disparaging in the US due to its use in the 60s (think Vietnam), but is apparently still commonly used in Britain to refer to people from east and southeast Asia.

It isn't the word per se, but how it was used historically.
 
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