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#826
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LaagerVol said:
When did oriental become offensive? It just describes where someone is from?

Do we need to call middle easterners Asian too? Russians are Asians?
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The term “orient” is just kinda dumb, tbh. It’s supposed to mean East, but east of where? If you live in China, America could be seen as “the orient.”


It’s just easier to more specific geographic terms like East Asia, Southeast Asia, South Asia, Central Asia, etc. The problem is a lot of people in the states can’t be bothered to learn (roughly) which part of Asia many countries are in. So you run into the pedantic “well Russians and Indians live in Asia too!” debate.
 
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LaagerVol said:
So if I said the orient, would you have a general idea where that is?

The ORIENT is a MUCH smaller place than ASIA. If I call someone ASIAN, they could be from Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey..... do people generally refer to those people as “Asians”? The orient narrows it down just a bit. I fail to see how that is offensive. Is it offensive to call someone nordish?

I don’t want to be referred to as southern anymore, only North American.

Southern = comfort food
North American = people
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Orient just means East. You’re trying to think of East Asia.
 
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SSVol said:
No. We're discussing how certain words arbitrarily have become pejorative, and that on occasion, decent well-meaning people missed the memo.
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But to your point, it depends on what happens next. If the decent, well-meaning people still use the pejorative term - usually to prove they aren’t giving in to the PC boogeyman - they proceed to become not so well meaning.
 
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Well I just learned the origin of "hillbilly", and I am now offended by its use.

And also learned that clowns were intended to be a caricature of Irish and Scottish. So now they offend me.




Or not. Yeah, how about not.



But clowns are still creepy.
 
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McGeesPub said:
But to your point, it depends on what happens next. If the decent, well-meaning people still use the pejorative term - usually to prove they aren’t giving in to the PC boogeyman - they proceed to become not so well meaning.
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As much as I really want to argue with you...I agree.
 
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McGeesPub said:
But to your point, it depends on what happens next. If the decent, well-meaning people still use the pejorative term - usually to prove they aren’t giving in to the PC boogeyman - they proceed to become not so well meaning.
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Exactly. There are terms that were acceptable when I was younger but are now deemed as insulting. I have learned and grown. There are also terms that I knew were not so nice and I used anyway. I have matured. I think a lot of this is that some people are surprised that the term is perceived as demeaning and because they did not realize it , they're having a hard time with it. That tells me it is not meant in a derogatory way, but, like you, after learning about it, I think some adjustments are in order.
 
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drvenner said:
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Exactly. There are terms that were acceptable when I was younger but are now deemed as insulting. I have learned and grown. There are also terms that I knew were not so nice and I used anyway. I have matured. I think a lot of this is that some people are surprised that the term is perceived as demeaning and because they did not realize it , they're having a hard time with it. That tells me it is not meant in a derogatory way, but, like you, after learning about it, I think some adjustments are in order.
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I can go along with this. Before this discussion it had never even entered my mind that the term could be offensive. It’s hard for me to wrap my head around WHY it’s offensive.

Edit* I also appreciate the way you have gone about the discussion in a civil manner rather than basically accusing people of being racist.
 
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“Oriental” while referring to PEOPLE, is a relic of a bygone age.

Some of y’all stuck in the past.
 
#843
#843
You PC Virtue Signaling baby back bia’s need to grow tf up and realize everything isn’t about your sensitive asses.






I think Pruitt signs a top 5 class btw.
 
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SSVol said:
According to Wikipedia, oriental became pejorative or disparaging in the US due to its use in the 60s (think Vietnam), but is apparently still commonly used in Britain to refer to people from east and southeast Asia.

It isn't the word per se, but how it was used historically.
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I believe this is true of most of these situations, whatever or term or object is. It's not the term itself, it's how it's used. Were you using it in an insulting way?

I've found that more often than not the people who are supposedly offended aren't as offended as others assume they are. And a person or even a vocal part of such group claiming they're offended doesn't mean the majority of the group is. Goes back to what others have said that some people are easily offended.

I could give you several examples I've witnessed, but I'll just give a couple. Here in SC there was quite the flap over the Confederate flag a few years ago. I continually asked my AA students (high school), their families, and others I had the chance to ask in an appropriate way how they felt about. A clear majority felt it was much ado about nothing, that the narrative was controlled by relatively few, and some of those were not offended, rather they were seeking political gain.

That doesn't mean no one was offended, just not as many as we would be led to believe. On the other hand when some confederate flag-toting folks would wave it or show it in an offensive manner, then they were upset.

The same is true of the use of the term "Blacks", or "negro" before that. Both of those terms are supposed inappropriate now. But my experience is that most don't care as long as you aren't intending to be insulting. Shoot, they tell me they don't even know what the acceptable term is anymore.

My two cents.
 
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