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SSVol said:
According to Wikipedia, oriental became pejorative or disparaging in the US due to its use in the 60s (think Vietnam), but is apparently still commonly used in Britain to refer to people from east and southeast Asia.

It isn't the word per se, but how it was used historically.
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Why is this sooooo haaaaaard....
 
#802
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85SugarVol said:
Go post about it on social media, under your real name.

See what happens.

Bet you won’t :wink2:
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Please dude. I’m not afraid to say what I think. I said earlier, I don’t have social media anymore. If I did, I PROMISE you that my boss wouldn’t have a problem with me saying someone was *gasp* oriental.

I’m not trying to offend anyone. There are plenty of terms I would agree are offensive and shouldn’t be used. I just happen to think this one is being overly sensitive.
 
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LaagerVol said:
Please dude. I’m not afraid to say what I think. I said earlier, I don’t have social media anymore. If I did, I PROMISE you that my boss wouldn’t have a problem with me saying someone was *gasp* oriental.

I’m not trying to offend anyone. There are plenty of terms I would agree are offensive and shouldn’t be used. I just happen to think this one is being overly sensitive.
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Go do it :wink2:
 
#805
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Never thought of the word being offensive, hell we have a restaurant in my town called The Oriental. With that said I’ve never thought to call someone that.
 
#808
#808
Evan Berry to Browns
Robertson to Cowboys
Kendrick to Lions
Wolf to Titans
Vickers to Steelers
Jumper to Saints
Daniels to Texans
Moseley to 49ers
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Evan Berry to Browns
Robertson to Cowboys
Kendrick to Lions
Wolfe to Titans
Vickers to Steelers
Jumper to Saints
Daniels to Texans
Moseley to 49ers
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I'd have lost a lot of $$$$ if I'd had bet that Wolf and Robertson would be drafted. I thought they both were guaranteed to get drafted after seeing their freshman years. It seemed like the sky was the limit.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Because not everyone can be bullied into agreeing with you about the arbitrary uses of words.
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All words are used arbitrarily. Words have meaning when people...arbitrarily...decide that they do. If you choose to use a word that you know some people are offended by, then you are choosing to be offensive.

I'm old enough to remember the use of "negro", then "colored", then "black", then "African American"...a transition that I think is ridiculously stupid...but I choose not to use terms that I know might hurt some, because I don't want to hurt people. But like anything, there is a limit to the stupidity, and I'm pretty sure we are well past it. We really need to grow a spine in this country, but I don't think that means we should intentionally wound with words.
 
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SSVol said:
All words are used arbitrarily. Words have meaning when people...arbitrarily...decide that they do. If you choose to use a word that you know some people are offended by, then you are choosing to be offensive.

I'm old enough to remember the use of "negro", then "colored", then "black", then "African American"...a transition that I think is ridiculously stupid...but I choose not to use terms that I know might hurt some, because I don't want to hurt people. But like anything, there is a limit to the stupidity, and I'm pretty sure we are well past it. We really need to grow a spine in this country, but I don't think that means we should intentionally wound with words.
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I agree with you?
 
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SSVol said:
All words are used arbitrarily. Words have meaning when people...arbitrarily...decide that they do. If you choose to use a word that you know some people are offended by, then you are choosing to be offensive.

I'm old enough to remember the use of "negro", then "colored", then "black", then "African American"...a transition that I think is ridiculously stupid...but I choose not to use terms that I know might hurt some, because I don't want to hurt people. But like anything, there is a limit to the stupidity, and I'm pretty sure we are well past it. We really need to grow a spine in this country, but I don't think that means we should intentionally wound with words.
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Good post.
 
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volfaninpa said:
I'd have lost a lot of $$$$ if I'd had bet that Wolf and Robertson would be drafted. I thought they both were guaranteed to get drafted after seeing their freshman years. It seemed like the sky was the limit.
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Butch made them go inside... their ceiling was the roof.
 
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So a bunch of folks not of Asian descent here are debating what folks of Asian descent should and shouldn’t be offended about being called?
 
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McGeesPub said:
So a bunch of folks not of Asian descent here are debating what folks of Asian descent should and shouldn’t be offended about being called?
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No. We're discussing how certain words arbitrarily have become pejorative, and that on occasion, decent well-meaning people missed the memo.
 
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SSVol said:
All words are used arbitrarily. Words have meaning when people...arbitrarily...decide that they do. If you choose to use a word that you know some people are offended by, then you are choosing to be offensive.

I'm old enough to remember the use of "negro", then "colored", then "black", then "African American"...a transition that I think is ridiculously stupid...but I choose not to use terms that I know might hurt some, because I don't want to hurt people. But like anything, there is a limit to the stupidity, and I'm pretty sure we are well past it. We really need to grow a spine in this country, but I don't think that means we should intentionally wound with words.
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Agreed
 
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SSVol said:
No. We're discussing how certain words arbitrarily have become pejorative, and that on occasion, decent well-meaning people missed the memo.
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I guess it just depends at what point you logged in to pick up the conversation.

Maybe literally and figuratively.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Why is this sooooo haaaaaard....
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I may be wrong, but I don't think they're having trouble with the notion that people do, in fact, take offense to "Oriental," but more as to why a seemingly neutral geographical descriptor has become commonly perceived as a slur. It does have some historically negative use, and if that's enough to offend East Asians, then I'm fine using "East Asian."

However, since "Oriental" and "East Asian" are practically synonyms, can you fault people for asking a few questions before automatically ceding the linguistic ground? I mean, it's good you've let them know so they can avoid a potentially embarrassing faux pas, but you don't have to imply that they're backwards hillbillies just becuase they didn't immediately roll over.
 
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