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Ttucke11 said:
Lebron is also a better shooter, rebounder, facilitator, and teammate. While Jordan is regarded as a great defender it is a lot easier to defend when Pippin and Rodman are covering the teams primary options.
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jordan4vols said:
Facilitator maybe but shooter? Just comical stuff. It’s apparent a lot of this board was too young to watch his airiness play. We’re talking about a guy who on the dream team would play with one side getting them up by a certain number of points during practices and then switch sides and lead a comeback. ON THE DREAM TEAM.

People want to act like he didn’t beat anybody to win his titles but he had to beat guys like Stockton and Malone, Magic, Barkley, Drexler etc. we are talking about all time great here people. Like the top 25 players of all time not to mention the players he had to beat in the conference to get to the finals like Isaiah Thomas etc.

That’s my rant. No more on this conversation. LeBron is great but he’s not better than MJ
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Comical? MJ was an average and at times BAD 3pt shooter and that was with a shorter 3 pt line in 3 of his seasons. Lebron has shot over two times as many 3s and his % is much higher. Also MJ averaged over 6 assists only 3 times in his career. Lebron has had over 6 every year in his career minus his rookie year when he had 5.9. Similar with boards. Argue other points, like defending, clutch, and pure scoring. But as much as you don’t want to acknowledge he is a vastly better facilitator, better shooter and much better rebounder.
 
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jordan4vols said:
Facilitator maybe but shooter? Just comical stuff. It’s apparent a lot of this board was too young to watch his airiness play. We’re talking about a guy who on the dream team would play with one side getting them up by a certain number of points during practices and then switch sides and lead a comeback. ON THE DREAM TEAM.

People want to act like he didn’t beat anybody to win his titles but he had to beat guys like Stockton and Malone, Magic, Barkley, Drexler etc. we are talking about all time great here people. Like the top 25 players of all time not to mention the players he had to beat in the conference to get to the finals like Isaiah Thomas etc.

That’s my rant. No more on this conversation. LeBron is great but he’s not better than MJ
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:good!:

The game was different then. Played different, called different, strategy was different, etc. MJ's game would easily translate to today's game. Karl Malone would have LeBron crying for his mommy.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Comical? MJ was an average and at times BAD 3pt shooter and that was with a shorter 3 pt line in 3 of his seasons. Lebron has shot over two times as many 3s and his % is much higher. Also MJ averaged over 6 assists only 3 times in his career. Lebron has had over 6 every year in his career minus his rookie year when he had 5.9. Similar with boards. Argue other points, like defending, clutch, and pure scoring. But as much as you don’t want to acknowledge he is a vastly better facilitator, better shooter and much better rebounder.
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You left out bigger p&$$!
 
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BigZiti09 said:
No. That’s not it. Dude is on here acting like Jordan wasn’t good defensively. It’s asinine. The little echo chamber of hank you and the other dude are either 25 or younger or you don’t live in reality.
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I never said Jordan wasn’t good defensively. I said having Rodman and Pippin made things a lot easier. Nothing I’ve said is asinine. I’m fine with people disagreeing with me. It’s a close call, but all in all I think LBJ is better.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
No. That’s not it. Dude is on here acting like Jordan wasn’t good defensively. It’s asinine. The little echo chamber of hank you and the other dude are either 25 or younger or you don’t live in reality.
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Its not just you, its majority people that believe jordan being the best is some kind of factual sentiment. Why is it reality when you believe mj is the best, but some sense of dream to think other?

I couldn't care one way or another. Its pure subjective.
 
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Vols4us said:
:good!:

The game was different then. Played different, called different, strategy was different, etc. MJ's game would easily translate to today's game. Karl Malone would have LeBron crying for his mommy.
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So why does mj get to translate in your mind and bron couldn't?
 
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#Vol4Life1991 said:
Its not just you, its majority people that believe jordan being the best is some kind of factual sentiment. Why is it reality when you believe mj is the best, but some sense of dream to think other?

I couldn't care one way or another. Its pure subjective.
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It’s fact for those of us who saw both.
 
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jordan4vols said:
Again I’m out on this convo because Lebron lovers can’t fathom he’s not the greatest. Bryon Russell can shut down Klay Thompson any day of the week. Again I’ll say and I’m done Lebron is the greatest of this generation. He’s a pleasure to watch. MJ is still better. I’m more inclined to hear a Kobe vs MJ argument than Lebron imo.
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It’s the same thing for MJ lovers. They act like he’s the Greek god of basketball and had no flaws or help along the way.
 
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jordan4vols said:
Again I’m out on this convo because Lebron lovers can’t fathom he’s not the greatest. Bryon Russell can shut down Klay Thompson any day of the week. Again I’ll say and I’m done Lebron is the greatest of this generation. He’s a pleasure to watch. MJ is still better. I’m more inclined to hear a Kobe vs MJ argument than Lebron imo.
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I was a HUGE fan of those Jazz teams. Stockton, Malone, Hornacek, Russell....man I loved watching them. But putting all homerism aside, no way those teams would get past the Warriors right now. You have blinders on.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
When people start talking down Jordan is when they look dumb. 99% of people who remember both will tell you who is better.

Youngsters and people with bad memories think Lebron is better.
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All the people that seen both, grew up with jordan. He was their (sports) idol/hero etc. The nba marketed the hell outta of jordan to grow their brand, in essence he is all the people seen when it came to nba. That resulted in this obsessed love by the public (mythical creature) that nobody could ever be better. Now, you have bron, that is pushing back on that traditional generational thinking. No matter what bron has done, would have done, or will do, a lot of the older generation will side with their childhood/manhood/womanhood sports idol (jordan).
 
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#Vol4Life1991 said:
All the people that seen both, grew up with jordan. He was their (sports) idol/hero etc. The nba marketed the hell outta of jordan to grow their brand, in essence he is all the people seen when it came to nba. That resulted in this obsessed love by the public (mythical creature) that nobody could ever be better. Now, you have bron, that is pushing back on that traditional generational thinking. No matter what bron has done, would have done, or will do, a lot of the older generation will side with their childhood/manhood/womanhood sports idol (jordan).
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This is very accurate.
 
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I remember I thought Mike Tyson was better than Ali. Then I actually went and did my research.

Lbj lovers always pull out all the stats and try to use them to prop him up. What’s funny is when they try to discount what Jordan did.

For those of us who saw both we know what we saw. Lebron is awesome. Jordan was better.
 
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#Vol4Life1991 said:
All the people that seen both, grew up with jordan. He was their (sports) idol/hero etc. The nba marketed the hell outta of jordan to grow their brand, in essence he is all the people seen when it came to nba. That resulted in this obsessed love by the public (mythical creature) that nobody could ever be better. Now, you have bron, that is pushing back on that traditional generational thinking. No matter what bron has done, would have done, or will do, a lot of the older generation will side with their childhood/manhood/womanhood sports idol (jordan).
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That is the reason the nba had a huge decline in viewership. The nba made themselves about jordan. They were too Jordan dependent (thats why his shoes are still selling, the nba marketing was the best). Now, we have a plethora of stars the nba can market to sell their brand.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I remember I thought Mike Tyson was better than Ali. Then I actually went and did my research.

Lbj lovers always pull out all the stats and try to use them to prop him up. What’s funny is when they try to discount what Jordan did.

For those of us who saw both we know what we saw. Lebron is awesome. Jordan was better.
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How many times have you used the "6-0" argument?
 
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BigZiti09 said:
It’s fact for those of us who saw both.
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Exactly how I feel.
LeBron makes me say "dang that guy's good"
MJ just left me in disbelief and speechless.

It's funny though, when Jordan was still playing, we had all these same kind of guys, always trying to claim the new guy was better. Fortunately, back then, their guy actually had to play Jordan and we all know how that ended. Now that his era is over, it's much easier for these guys to make the claims because their idol will never have to prove it.
 
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