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[reVOLution33]

I think Ice man was good but he had some absolutely loaded teams around him. I think you put dobbs with those Rosters and we at least win a couple sec titles.

It’s the same thing with the 98 team. Manning is worlds away better than Tee. But we transitioned to a run oriented ball control team and the rest is history.

No way clausen had to actually throw the ball, something dobbs could not do.

 

[ob79]

The numbers simply don’t back this assertion up. Bray had a much better arm, that doesn’t make him the better passer.

This isn’t a knock on Bray, either. We haven’t fully appreciated Dobbs yet. We will the further away we get from his career here.

That's an opinion based on observation, nothing more. I don't really care what the numbers say because they never tell the whole story. Bray was more comfortable passing the ball than Dobbs, and more accurate with his throws. Dobbs sailed the ball or put it in the dirt on some very easy throws far too often.

Chuck Webb is one of the best RB's I've ever seen but he doesn't have the numbers to back that up...

 

[volfanCLT]

That's an opinion based on observation, nothing more. I don't really care what the numbers say because they never tell the whole story. Bray was more comfortable passing the ball than Dobbs, and more accurate with his throws. Dobbs sailed the ball of put it in the dirt on some very easy throws far too often.

Chuck Webb is one of the best RB's I've ever seen but he doesn't have the numbers to back that up...

Over 1200 yards, 12 TDs and nearly 6 ypc in 11 games back that up

Now his career numbers might not, but that is one hell of a season and he has our 2 largest rushing totals in a game.

Baller.

 

[SSVol]

Best QB we had was David Cutcliff.

 

[Catbone]

Did Bartoo take in consideration transfers and others that have left the team?

 

[ob79]

Over 1200 yards, 12 TDs and nearly 6 ypc in 11 games back that up

Now his career numbers might not, but that is one hell of a season and he has our 2 largest rushing totals in a game.

Baller.

I was referring to career numbers and his place among the all-time career rushing leaders...

 

[volfanCLT]

I was referring to career numbers...

He only played 1 complete season

That season was one of the best in school history and his numbers back up your opinion that he was one of the best you’ve ever seen

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Did Bartoo take in consideration transfers and others that have left the team?

Yes. According to 247 last year, we were ranked 12th in talent composite. He goes off of those numbers.

 

[Catbone]

Yes. According to 247 last year, we were ranked 12th in talent composite. He goes off of those numbers.

Thanks :hi:

 

[ob79]

He only played 1 complete season

That season was one of the best in school history and his numbers back up your opinion that he was one of the best you’ve ever seen

Back to the original point...

Based on my observation, Bray was a better pure passer based on my observation. I don't care what the numbers say regarding the two, Bray is a better passer.

 

[itsme]

I don;'t think so. Tee was carried by the defense and amazing run game in 98. Dobbs carried the teams he was on.
I know Dobbs had the dink and dunk passing but Tee's completion percentage was mid 50's. Dobbs had no qb coach and was low 60's. What would he have been with Cutt as his corrdinator, with that oline, those backs and Peerless?

Dang dude spell check.

 

[LaagerVol]

WOrley did not have a good arm. He should have never been playing big time SEC football

Danny Wuerffel says hi

 

[HankHill]

He had some bad games, every player that's ever set foot on a field has, but I fail to see how that factors into your assertion that taking Manning off of the 95, 96, or 97 teams wins us a national championship...

Maybe you don't understand the point...

That was not the point at all and it’s honestly laughable that you think that. I said manning is the best player to ever play qb here. That’s not debatable. But our roster was amazing outside of him so was he that valuable to our team if we win a title the moment he leaves?

Manning leaves the colts and they go from super bowl contender to 1st pick the next year. He was the most valuable player I’ve maybe ever seen to the colts.

Carson Wentz was the leading NFl mvp candidate. Gets hurt before the playoffs and the eagles win a super bowl and their offense doesn’t miss a bear. How valuable was he?

 

[butchna]

That was not the point at all and it’s honestly laughable that you think that. I said manning is the best player to ever play qb here. That’s not debatable. But our roster was amazing outside of him so was he that valuable to our team if we win a title the moment he leaves?

Manning leaves the colts and they go from super bowl contender to 1st pick the next year. He was the most valuable player I’ve maybe ever seen to the colts.

Carson Wentz was the leading NFl mvp candidate. Gets hurt before the playoffs and the eagles win a super bowl and their offense doesn’t miss a bear. How valuable was he?

How big a bear we talking?

 

[85SugarVol]

I watched it.

He also threw 100 more passes than Dobbs. If Dobbs threw the ball 450 times he would have had more TDs and more yards than Bray.

That’s where the YPA stat comes in. It showed for every pass we attempted, we gained more passing yards with Dobbs than Bray.

If Dobbs could throw the ball maybe he would have gotten more attempts.

 

[volfanCLT]

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Klatt seems to think highly of the Mountaineers

 

[ob79]

That was not the point at all and it’s honestly laughable that you think that. I said manning is the best player to ever play qb here. That’s not debatable. But our roster was amazing outside of him so was he that valuable to our team if we win a title the moment he leaves?

Manning leaves the colts and they go from super bowl contender to 1st pick the next year. He was the most valuable player I’ve maybe ever seen to the colts.

Carson Wentz was the leading NFl mvp candidate. Gets hurt before the playoffs and the eagles win a super bowl and their offense doesn’t miss a bear. How valuable was he?

*ahem*

Manning obviously ahead of dobbs and probably Schuler. But i would argue that dobbs had a lot less around him and a lesser headcoach. I think the case could be made that dobbs meant more to his team than any other player in school history.

Take manning off our team and we win a title. Take dobbs off and we have the worst season in school history. (Obviously they are more variables but still)

 

[85SugarVol]

Bray threw the ball downfield a ton. Better pure passer.

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[HankHill]

*ahem*

In case you forgot. WE DID WIN A TITLE THE YEAR AFTER MANNING LEFT.

Oh yea and the year after dobbs left we were the worst team in UT history....

 

[Catbone]

Pressure Grier and run the ball down their throats. That should be the recipe to win vs WVU.

 

[volfanCLT]

In all honesty Hank’s point was pretty easy to understand

Not sure why there’s so much confusion about it, even after he’s clarified

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Pressure Grier and run the ball down their throats. That should be the recipe to win vs WVU.

Pressure Grier with what?

 

[SSVol]

In case you forgot. WE DID WIN A TITLE THE YEAR AFTER MANNING LEFT.

Oh yea and the year after dobbs left we were the worst team in UT history....

And to your point, I think if Manning had played behind Dobbs' OL, he wouldn't be seen as the greatest, but Dobbs could have easily been inserted in place of Tee and the result been the same.

 

[volfanCLT]

Pressure Grier with what?

 

[drvenner]

No clue what this is, but anything over 6 + a bowl is house money this season

Bartoo is pretty well respected.