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scvolfan7 said:
What year do you think this is? 2013? Dobbs can throw the ball well enough to be drafted in the fourth round. Dude threw for over 7000 yards
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Dobbs had a higher completion %, higher Y/A, and higher passer rating than Bray their last years at Tennessee.

This coming from a Bray fan
 
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Brillovol said:
I love Dobbs, but Tee was a waaay better passer. Dobbs was a better runner easily, but looking at the complete passer, no doubt that Tee is clearly better than Dobbs.
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I don;'t think so. Tee was carried by the defense and amazing run game in 98. Dobbs carried the teams he was on.
I know Dobbs had the dink and dunk passing but Tee's completion percentage was mid 50's. Dobbs had no qb coach and was low 60's. What would he have been with Cutt as his corrdinator, with that oline, those backs and Peerless?
 
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HankHill said:
Manning obviously ahead of dobbs and probably Schuler. But i would argue that dobbs had a lot less around him and a lesser headcoach. I think the case could be made that dobbs meant more to his team than any other player in school history.

Take manning off our team and we win a title. Take dobbs off and we have the worst season in school history. (Obviously they are more variables but still)
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Take the most prolific passer in the school's history, who's only flaws were losing to Memphis and never beating the best Florida teams in their history (to that point), and we win a title?



Holy...


Clausen is the only QB in the last 20 years with a winning record against Florida...hell, it might be closer to 30...but that was because Clausen had the coldest damn disposition of any QB in our history. The dude couldn't be rattled, a trait that makes him arguably the third best QB in our history.

But take off the hands down greatest QB in our history and we all of a sudden beat Florida and win a national title?

No.
 
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butchna said:
Obviously a huge talent differential...so not comparable. I’d say that Manning made whichever WR’s he worked with top level.
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I could put up a decent argument that Dobbs had better WRs talent-wise... we've had some studs come through the past few years that never really developed

Joey Kent, Marcus Nash, Peerless Price, Nilo Sylvan vs Jauan Jennings, Josh Malone, Von Pearson, Pig Howard, Jason Croom, Marquez North

Obviously the Manning guys put up better stats but length/athleticism of the WRs is prolly in the Butch corner
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Take the most prolific passer in the school's history, who's only flaws were losing to Memphis and never beating the best Florida team's in their history (to that point), and we win a title?



Holy...


Clausen is the only QB in the last 20 years with a winning record against Florida...hell, it might be closer to 30...but that was because Clausen had the coldest damn disposition of any QB in our history. The dude couldn't be rattled, a trait that makes him arguably the third best QB in our history.

But take the hands down greatest QB in our history and we all of a sudden beat Florida and win a national title?

No.
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Hank gonna Hank.
 
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I think Ice man was good but he had some absolutely loaded teams around him. I think you put dobbs with those Rosters and we at least win a couple sec titles.

It’s the same thing with the 98 team. Manning is worlds away better than Tee. But we transitioned to a run oriented ball control team and the rest is history.
 
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HankHill said:
I think Ice man was good but he had some absolutely loaded teams around him. I think you put dobbs with those Rosters and we at least win a couple sec titles.

It’s the same thing with the 98 team. Manning is worlds away better than Tee. But we transitioned to a run oriented ball control team and the rest is history.
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No. Too many games did Dobbs throw the game losing interception. Didn't happen with Iceman
 
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PoweredByTheT said:
I could put up a decent argument that Dobbs had better WRs talent-wise... we've had some studs come through the past few years that never really developed

Joey Kent, Marcus Nash, Peerless Price, Nilo Sylvan vs Jauan Jennings, Josh Malone, Von Pearson, Pig Howard, Jason Croom, Marquez North

Obviously the Manning guys put up better stats but length/athleticism of the WRs is prolly in the Butch corner
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I disagree. But to your point, Manning would have “developed” them. He made his receivers better.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Basically, he bases everything off of numbers. He looks at recruiting and the Vols are top 25 in talent, really top 15 which is why they are in his tier 3. Then he grades the coordinators based upon their numbers. Vols have a highly ranked DC (I'm assuming he's factoring Pruitt in here and not just Sherrer).

His conclusion then, based upon numbers alone judged by coaching and talent, is that we have the talent and the coaching to compete for a national championship but not win it.
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Dave is a smart fella.
 
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PoweredByTheT said:
I could put up a decent argument that Dobbs had better WRs talent-wise... we've had some studs come through the past few years that never really developed

Joey Kent, Marcus Nash, Peerless Price, Nilo Sylvan vs Jauan Jennings, Josh Malone, Von Pearson, Pig Howard, Jason Croom, Marquez North

Obviously the Manning guys put up better stats but length/athleticism of the WRs is prolly in the Butch corner
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Jason croom lol. The legend that never was.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Take the most prolific passer in the school's history, who's only flaws were losing to Memphis and never beating the best Florida teams in their history (to that point), and we win a title?



Holy...


Clausen is the only QB in the last 20 years with a winning record against Florida...hell, it might be closer to 30...but that was because Clausen had the coldest damn disposition of any QB in our history. The dude couldn't be rattled, a trait that makes him arguably the third best QB in our history.

But take off the hands down greatest QB in our history and we all of a sudden beat Florida and win a national title?

No.
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You clearly don’t understand the point. We would win games with clausen and he would complete 11 passes like against Miami or 12 against Florida. How good you are vs how valuable you may be don’t always go Match up.
 
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HankHill said:
I think Ice man was good but he had some absolutely loaded teams around him. I think you put dobbs with those Rosters and we at least win a couple sec titles.

It’s the same thing with the 98 team. Manning is worlds away better than Tee. But we transitioned to a run oriented ball control team and the rest is history.
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Revisionist history, Hank.

We transitioned the offense because we lost the best passer the program has ever seen...oh...and because we had some of the greatest RB's on the team the program has ever seen.


97's team is arguably the best offense we've ever seen.

Manning
Jamal Lewis
Shawn Bryson
Marcus Nash
Peerless Price
Jermaine Copeland
Chad Clifton
Spencer Riley
Trey Teague

...not to mention our three-deep included Travis Henry and Travis Stephens at RB.

98's offense was run-heavy because it took Tee a minute to get comfortable passing the ball but he could run like the wind. He settled in fine by mid-season but he made more plays with his feet and extending the play than he ever did with his arm.

I like Dobbs but he was/is an above average passer, at best, and lacked consistency with accuracy. Like Martin, he excelled at extending plays with his legs, which kept D's on their feet.
 
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