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[butchna]

Alabama hasn’t had great QBs lol. Blake sims, Jacob Coker, Greg McElroy, jalen hurts are not good Quarterbacks. They execute a system.

For example Mcelroys senior year in games where he had to throw the ball 30+ times Alabama was 1-3. The one win coming against 6-6 Tennessee. Translation anytime he had to actually make plays and carry the team...he couldn’t.

I gave you the point that a generational QB can give a program momentum. But don’t tell me that high school juniors are lining up to play with Tua right now because he theres a good chance he won’t even be there by the time they get to Alabama.

Keep going in a circle. Guess it’s your debating technique if the Lebron James chronicles are any indication. :loco: On your McElroy point, ANY QB forced to throw is on the wrong end of a battle. Before your time but Peyton v Nebraska. You’re strawmanning me as claiming that McElroy, Coker, McConnell et al are great QB’s. No...they were talented winning college QB’s who were not SUBPAR. On Tua, Bama has a NFL factory established by Saban who landed Julio Jones in his second class and has used this Process to reap talent year to year...it’s another method that few programs can replicate. But if Tua develops into a generational QB in his sophomore season as Peyton did? Then yes...great players will want to play with him. Most likely ones that were considering Bama anyway but this is a close.

 

[BigOrange15]

Florida fans are horrible and I hate them but they are far from fake fans. I will give them credit for that. They are every bit as real as any of us. They are just incredibly annoying. You obviously have never lived in Florida if you either think they are fake or don't hate them.

Around here they are Alabama fans right now. Their Florida gear went into the closet circa 2011.

 

[BruinVol]

I would be a little more worried about Pruitt and his perceived "hot headiness" and ability to run the ship if we didn't have Fulmer as AD... I think that relationship is paying dividends behind the scenes right now...

Imo many of us here are putting way too much emphasis on Fulmers role regarding the control Pruitt is going to have over his locker room. I see very little impact of an AD in that area. If there is much it's a bad sign.

 

[volfanCLT]

I’m good with the hotheadedness if it’s directed in the right way.

Pruitt can crash rental cars into ditches and do lines off his secretary’s badonkadonk as long as he wins games imo

 

[volsandpirates]

Dang I'm glad we didn't hire Mehlen

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You know Jarrian Jones is a 2019 recruit that never even played for Mullen right.

Jarrian Jones, Northwest Rankin, Safety

 

[reVOLution33]

Like it or not, this is the exact reason no one hired him up to the point we pulled the trigger. Georgia had the chance to promote him within and he interviewed with Mississippi State this year and they passed. His “hotheadedness” or whatever you wanna call it has been widely debated.

Doesn’t mean he won’t be successful, obviously, and I think he’s done a really good job so far; but it is certainly something to keep an eye on going forward.

Even if that is true about MSU, i dont think he would have taken it. Just interviewing for the experience and feedback.

 

[volfanCLT]

You know Jarrian Jones is a 2019 recruit that never even played for Mullen right.

Jarrian Jones, Northwest Rankin, Safety

But PAWWWWWLLLL

 

[SmokinBob]

you'll never believe what rex grossman said about jeremy pruitt...

👂🏻

 

[JCLawyerVol]

That whole take from Murray is fine but Having Phillip Fulmer as AD will take so much “off the field” stuff away from Pruitt.

Very true. Learning curve should be sped up, also.

 

[BruinVol]

You know Jarrian Jones is a 2019 recruit that never even played for Mullen right.

Jarrian Jones, Northwest Rankin, Safety

Lol

 

[volfanCLT]

What’s a backup college RB doing on the cover of Eastbay 😏

 

[PoweredByTheT]

Around here they are Alabama fans right now. Their Florida gear went into the closet circa 2011.

Can not stand bandwagon Alabama fans... that have no idea we beat them 7 times in a row in the 90's because they were cheering for Florida then... telling me how much the Vols suck.

Absolute worst... then you ask why they're fans of Alabama and every one of them have a grandparent or some other semi-distant relative "that was born there".

Actually... they're the second worst kind of people... their kids that butt in the "Tennessee sucks" conversation are the absolute worst... only time I've ever wanted to punch a 10-year-old boy in the face and felt justified for it...

Listen you little ****... There's pictures of you on facebook in Florida onesie... Go hop on your Xbox and let the adults talk

 

[BigOrange15]

Can not stand bandwagon Alabama fans... that have no idea we beat them 7 times in a row in the 90's because they were cheering for Florida then... telling me how much the Vols suck.

Absolute worst... then you ask why they're fans of Alabama and every one of them have a grandparent or some other semi-distant relative "that was born there".

Actually... they're the second worst kind of people... their kids that butt in the "Tennessee sucks" conversation are the absolute worst... only time I've ever wanted to punch a 10-year-old boy in the face and felt justified for it...

Listen you little ****... There's pictures of you on facebook in Florida onesie... Go hop on your Xbox and let the adults talk

This is a good post.

 

[Sleegro]

Imo many of us here are putting way too much emphasis on Fulmers role regarding the control Pruitt is going to have over his locker room. I see very little impact of an AD in that area. If there is much it's a bad sign.

I think you missed his point. I'm pretty sure he was talking about fulmer helping with all the CEO aspects of it outside of coaching. I haven't seen anyone questioning his ability to coach. Just that they don't think he can handle the other parts of being a head coach in the sec. Fulmer can help with that.

 

[omghulkhands]

Lol anyone mention the Drake shirt yet?

 

[BruinVol]

I think you missed his point. I'm pretty sure he was talking about fulmer helping with all the CEO aspects of it outside of coaching. I haven't seen anyone questioning his ability to coach. Just that they don't think he can handle the other parts of being a head coach in the sec. Fulmer can help with that.

I was referring to the talk about him being hot headed. I don't see an AD helping in that part of the management of this program

 

[HankHill]

Keep going in a circle. Guess it’s your debating technique if the Lebron James chronicles are any indication. :loco: On your McElroy point, ANY QB forced to throw is on the wrong end of a battle. Before your time but Peyton v Nebraska. You’re strawmanning me as claiming that McElroy, Coker, McConnell et al are great QB’s. No...they were talented winning college QB’s who were not SUBPAR. On Tua, Bama has a NFL factory established by Saban who landed Julio Jones in his second class and has used this Process to reap talent year to year...it’s another method that few programs can replicate. But if Tua develops into a generational QB in his sophomore season as Peyton did? Then yes...great players will want to play with him. Most likely ones that were considering Bama anyway but this is a close.

No that’s where you’re wrong. Lol the great QBs when forced to throw get the job done. Rodgers, Brady, manning, etc. everyone knows they are throwing the ball all game and still they gash defenses. Take away a dominant run game and these QBs flop.

Again you keep going back to the winning argument for a single player in team sports. How many QBs could win titles at bama? They are always good enough at every position to win every year. If they had a generational qb they would be even more dominant than they have been.

 

[jordan4vols]

Can someone tell me why Florida is getting all this love when they sucked as bad as we did last year with an easier schedule and why people like Murray say we don’t have any talent? I think the easy thing is to say UT has no talent and will go 5-7 or 6-6. However recruiting ranking services and players still on roster have UT tied with Florida for second in the east with most 4 and 5 star players. Maybe we have talent we’ve just had bad coaching. Maybe we come out and kick WV’s tail and roll into Florida 3-0. Maybe we will be better than people want to believe because it’s easy to kick Tennessee right now. I’m getting pumped to prove people wrong this season.

 

[butchna]

No that’s where you’re wrong. Lol the great QBs when forced to throw get the job done. Rodgers, Brady, manning, etc. everyone knows they are throwing the ball all game and still they gash defenses. Take away a dominant run game and these QBs flop.

Again you keep going back to the winning argument for a single player in team sports. How many QBs could win titles at bama? They are always good enough at every position to win every year. If they had a generational qb they would be even more dominant than they have been.

Jacob Coker had to WIN that game for Bama. Watch the game again. As long as reality exists, you lose.

 

[BruinVol]

Can someone tell me why Florida is getting all this love when they sucked as bad as we did last year with an easier schedule and why people like Murray say we don’t have any talent? I think the easy thing is to say UT has no talent and will go 5-7 or 6-6. However recruiting ranking services and players still on roster have UT tied with Florida for second in the east with most 4 and 5 star players. Maybe we have talent we’ve just had bad coaching. Maybe we come out and kick WV’s tail and roll into Florida 3-0. Maybe we will be better than people want to believe because it’s easy to kick Tennessee right now. I’m getting pumped to prove people wrong this season.

I think all their love is based on QB play being so awful and the expectation that Mullen turns that into a positive

 

[Sleegro]

I was referring to the talk about him being hot headed. I don't see an AD helping in that part of the management of this program

A lot of really good coaches could probably be considered hot heads. Fulmer can help with other stuff without interfering with the locker room. Being a hot head in the locker room isn't a big deal. Just ask anyone who played for Pruitt before. I have never seen a single report of one of his former players saying anything other than they love him. Yer doing that thing where you try to create a negative narrative out of nothing again.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

I think all their love is based on QB play being so awful and the expectation that Mullen turns that into a positive

Their defense is bad as well. Their best unit is the wr. O-line is avg. Qb's are trash. They had the same hype as last year. Look what happened. Chizik and others keep sayin they have "dudes" on defense. They dont. Gardner missed more tackles than anyone in the conference last year. Their ceiling is 8-4

 

[BruinVol]

A lot of really good coaches could probably be considered hot heads. Fulmer can help with other stuff without interfering with the locker room. Being a hot head in the locker room isn't a big deal. Just ask anyone who played for Pruitt before. I have never seen a single report of one of his former players saying anything other than they love him. Yer doing that thing where you try to create a negative narrative out of nothing again.

I think there are many times during a year a team needs a calming voice from their HC especially in years with losses. That's when a hot headed coach can hurt


Yea they love him but you know an assistant coach has a much different role

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Lot of folks talking about Florida getting players back they lost to suspension and injury last year. Uh... Does no one remember all the players we had injured last year that will be back? Go look at the OL during the last few games of the season just as one example.

 

[Catbone]

Can someone tell me why Florida is getting all this love when they sucked as bad as we did last year with an easier schedule and why people like Murray say we don’t have any talent? I think the easy thing is to say UT has no talent and will go 5-7 or 6-6. However recruiting ranking services and players still on roster have UT tied with Florida for second in the east with most 4 and 5 star players. Maybe we have talent we’ve just had bad coaching. Maybe we come out and kick WV’s tail and roll into Florida 3-0. Maybe we will be better than people want to believe because it’s easy to kick Tennessee right now. I’m getting pumped to prove people wrong this season.

Because its Florida