Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[Chuckie]

“Fat shaming” is a good thing. I know we live in a super sensitive omg I’m offended world where every size is beautiful .... but in real life, obesity is a disease and it should not be embraced or encouraged or taught that it is acceptable.

Obesity, alcoholism, and drug addiction are hardly diseases. They’re the direct result of poor life choices.

Just because you choose to eat a ton of processed foods and live a sedentary lifestyle doesn’t mean you have a disease.

Just because you stick a needle in your arm, doesn’t mean you have a disease.

Your logic: we can’t call out parents who don’t pay child support. That’s dead beat shaming. They didn’t choose not to pay - they have a disease.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Obesity, alcoholism, and drug addiction are hardly diseases. They’re the direct result of poor life choices.

Just because you choose to eat a ton of processed foods and live a sedentary lifestyle doesn’t mean you have a disease.

Just because you stick a needle in your arm, doesn’t mean you have a disease.

Your logic: we can’t call out parents who don’t pay child support. That’s dead beat shaming. They didn’t choose not to pay - they have a disease.

You’re pretty far off here

 

[Chuckie]

Well, you don't treat it by pandering to it. People in a lot of those situations have to want to change for change to begin. There has to be realized impetus. You can't force it on them and have it work, but if you cater to it, there is no actualized motivation to change.

There's a lot more to it than "want to." I would argue that for most people that are overweight, there are a multitude of factors that can individually or collectively cause the behaviors that result in obesity. Also, I would argue that a very small percentage of people that are overweight ended up that way because they want to. As with any addiction, a person continues a destructive behavior in spite of knowing the consequences. It has to do with chemicals in the brain, etc. I think that's why it's not a far reach to call it a disease.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

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Poor choice Of word in the first post. Not a disease in a traditional sense - cancer/aids/etc.

Ever watch Cobra, the well acted and (shoulda been) Oscar producing Stallone flick from the 80’s? There’s a line where Stallone says “Crime is a disease. I’m the cure.”

Obesity is a crime in that sense.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

You’re pretty far off here

Nu uh

 

[utkevdawg1]

There's a lot more to it than "want to." I would argue that for most people that are overweight, there are a multitude of factors that can individually or collectively cause the behaviors that result in obesity. Also, I would argue that a very small percentage of people that are overweight ended up that way because they want to. As with any addiction, a person continues a destructive behavior in spite of knowing the consequences. It has to do with chemicals in the brain, etc. I think that's why it's not a far reach to call it a disease.

I do not disagree with you entirely.
People don't want to be obese but with a good swath (self included) it is because choices of convenience are made over better choices.
I choose not to fix a healthy morning smoothie which I have found not only taste good but also satiates me, but instead choose to sleep in 15 extra minutes and then stop at Dunkin' Donuts because I can get coffee and breakfast in the same go. I use that as a personalized example.
But, choice in how we spend our time (healthy meal prep vs. binge watching a show, going for a walk with the dog vs. just throwing a ball for it) all add up over time and as metabolism slows with age, has greater impact.
I think there is obesity as a disease, but I think choices of convenience and poor priorities play a bigger factor in society's increasing struggle with it.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

We tax the hell out of cigarettes in our attempt to get people to give up smoking - should we tax overweight people by how many pounds they are overweight. I was thinking something like $2.00 per pound per month. I think we might even be able to raise enough money to balance the budget. We also insist that people who smoke cigarettes pay a higher premium for health insurance. Do we expand this philosophy to other addictions or do food and other sorts of drug addicts deserve special considerations?

Disclosure: I've been smoking cigarettes for 44 years. Get rid of the penalties on me and I won't advocate for penalties on you.

 

[Chuckie]

I do not disagree with you entirely.
People don't want to be obese but with a good swath (self included) it is because choices of convenience are made over better choices.
I choose not to fix a healthy morning smoothie which I have found not only taste good but also satiates me, but instead choose to sleep in 15 extra minutes and then stop at Dunkin' Donuts because I can get coffee and breakfast in the same go. I use that as a personalized example.
But, choice in how we spend our time (healthy meal prep vs. binge watching a show, going for a walk with the dog vs. just throwing a ball for it) all add up over time and as metabolism slows with age, has greater impact.
I think there is obesity as a disease, but I think choices of convenience and poor priorities play a bigger factor in society's increasing struggle with it.

I hear you. I've lost around 60 pounds since last June by changing the way I eat. I didn't think I'd ever be able to do it, but when my child started having health issues related to weight, that was the "why" that inspired me to make changes that, again, I didn't think I'd ever be able to make. The foods that lead to obesity definitely have effects on your brain that make it even harder to resist them (i.e. high bad-carb foods and sugary foods cause your brain to release chemicals that convince you that you are still hungry and make you crave more foods like them...it's a vicious cycle).

I think each person has to discover the "why" that is stronger than their craving. I've never had alcohol other than a glass of wine a couple times a year, and I've never used drugs. But I think those are even worse than food. Even with a compelling "why" I'm not sure a person can walk away from those without professional help...and even that's probably not enough for some.

 

[Batman1948]

Bigger fish can be “bust” also.

Spin it any way you want to but there's just no room at the inn. This staff is finally fishing in deeper water. But, by all means, let's just keep looking at guys who have no offers from power 5 schools just because they're instate. Dude has 20 mid major offers and then Florida makes an offer and he's all in

 

[ChismsHeadband]

Obesity, alcoholism, and drug addiction are hardly diseases. They’re the direct result of poor life choices.

Just because you choose to eat a ton of processed foods and live a sedentary lifestyle doesn’t mean you have a disease.

Just because you stick a needle in your arm, doesn’t mean you have a disease.

Your logic: we can’t call out parents who don’t pay child support. That’s dead beat shaming. They didn’t choose not to pay - they have a disease.

So this goes to the other extreme.

Obesity and addiction are somewhere along the same lines. Inputs (whether it's coffee, nicotine, sugar, salt, or heroine) trigger brain chemical reactions, some obviously more than others.

I think the best way to promote healthy living is livable wages/time off/work-life balance. There are a lot of jobs that are basically wage slavery-- you work all the time and overtime you can to be able to afford a life that you really can't make the time to enjoy. The average car note is $500/mo, but the average salary is $35k. People are worn out from their 40+hr weeks/1.5hr commutes, come home, and prepare the simplest meal and binge a few episodes on Netflix because that's all they can do to relax. I think if people had an extra couple hours at home, or maybe an extra day off (something like a 4-day work week or a 9/80 schedule) they'd get bored staying inside and go do something active.

Obviously, I'm definitely painting with a broad brush here, but it's a societal problem, affecting all demographics, age groups, areas of the country. Maybe at that point you have to look wider. Like, who doesn't feel overworked, or like they don't have enough time to enjoy life outside of work?

Of course, solving a work-life balance problem doesn't directly promote healthy activity. There will still be those that choose to spend their time lounging and not doing anything active even if they did gain a couple hours a day. No magic bullet.

 

[ChismsHeadband]

should we tax overweight people by how many pounds they are overweight.

That echoes of the super liberal soda tax in NY and CA.

 

[T Dog]

Was. Same doctor was supposedly championed by Lisa “Left Eye” Lopez before her fatal accident.

That doctor cured Michael Jackson and then Michael was about to come out and tell everyone then he ended up dead...

 

[T Dog]

It's on my neck bruh

 

[delfonic]

Obesity, alcoholism, and drug addiction are hardly diseases. They’re the direct result of poor life choices.

Just because you choose to eat a ton of processed foods and live a sedentary lifestyle doesn’t mean you have a disease.

Just because you stick a needle in your arm, doesn’t mean you have a disease.

Your logic: we can’t call out parents who don’t pay child support. That’s dead beat shaming. They didn’t choose not to pay - they have a disease.

That's a strawman argument. Your body has no chemical dependency on child support monies. Perhaps you have an intellectual disability that forces you to use logical fallacies to reinforce your own worldview? If so, shame on you!

 

[T Dog]

There's a lot more to it than "want to." I would argue that for most people that are overweight, there are a multitude of factors that can individually or collectively cause the behaviors that result in obesity. Also, I would argue that a very small percentage of people that are overweight ended up that way because they want to. As with any addiction, a person continues a destructive behavior in spite of knowing the consequences. It has to do with chemicals in the brain, etc. I think that's why it's not a far reach to call it a disease.

Super Size Me?
The documentary on just eating McDonald's. Dude starts Feigning for them big macs.

 

[delfonic]

Poor choice Of word in the first post. Not a disease in a traditional sense - cancer/aids/etc.

Ever watch Cobra, the well acted and (shoulda been) Oscar producing Stallone flick from the 80’s? There’s a line where Stallone says “Crime is a disease. I’m the cure.”

Obesity is a crime in that sense.

What Stallone used there is called a metaphor...

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

That's a strawman argument. Your body has no chemical dependency on child support monies. Perhaps you have an intellectual disability that forces you to use logical fallacies to reinforce your own worldview? If so, shame on you!

Hey if you can make up diseases then I can as well. Stop bad take shaming me. It’s a disease!!

 

[Smokey123]

Obesity, alcoholism, and drug addiction are hardly diseases. They’re the direct result of poor life choices.

Just because you choose to eat a ton of processed foods and live a sedentary lifestyle doesn’t mean you have a disease.

Just because you stick a needle in your arm, doesn’t mean you have a disease.

Your logic: we can’t call out parents who don’t pay child support. That’s dead beat shaming. They didn’t choose not to pay - they have a disease.

You’re the one who called obesity a disease in your OP about it...

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

You’re the one who called obesity a disease in your OP about it...

Read further.

 

[delfonic]

Hey if you can make up diseases then I can as well. Stop bad take shaming me. It’s a disease!!

I disagree with your opinion but I respect the humor of your response.

 

[Smokey123]

Read further.

Obesity is nothing like crime either and shouldn’t be handled the same way.

Yea I’m sure people who have been fat shamed love going to the gym around a dozen fit people.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Fat?

Prescription: eat less processed foods, sugary drinks, don’t live a sedentary lifestyle, try to exercise at least 2-3 times a week. Eat to live don’t live to eat.

Signed

Holeintheroof MD

 

[Smokey123]

Fat?

Prescription: eat less processed foods, sugary drinks, don’t live a sedentary lifestyle, try to exercise at least 2-3 times a week. Eat to live don’t live to eat.

Signed

Holeintheroof MD

Every person should be doing that tho

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Fat?

Prescription: eat less processed foods, sugary drinks, don’t live a sedentary lifestyle, try to exercise at least 2-3 times a week. Eat to live don’t live to eat.

Signed

Holeintheroof MD

Or... talk to @nicksjuzunk