Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[SweetasSoda]

Amen. And the perception to the outside world was that we fired almost as quickly as UF. But like I was trying to say to LA, once you dug deeper, we all knew there was losses that shouldn't have been, despite the perception.

ESPN basically scolded us for hot seat toll in 2016.

Yes, I forgot about that. FL fires so quickly there is not time for the media to give their permission. Then they are so busy trying to decide who should be hired, they quickly move on from whether or not it should have happened.

 

[HankHill]

UF won't keep Mullen five years if he doesn't meet expectations. They'll send him packing if things go too far south. The Gators might sink to the bottom but they push right off it, unlike UT, which flounders there for a while due to a tendency to prolong bad decisions.

Florida will fire a coach midway through his third year after winning the division in his first two years. Lol

 

[Aesius]

Florida will fire a coach midway through his third year after winning the division in his first two years. Lol

Given UF’s dedication to winning, their national irrelevance since 2009 is crazy. Shows how difficult it is to win consistently in the SEC.

 

[HankHill]

Dooley and Jones were paid above-market and got nice pay bumps for coming to UT. Jones got nice bumps for his Cincy staffers, too. They just weren't the caliber of coaches we needed. You're right-- you get what you pay for, and we should have hired up, instead of trying to mine for diamonds in the rough. We got CZs.

A lot of the coaches that butch brought with him were actually good coaches. Especially strip, bajakian, Gillespie, elder, etc. when butch tried to take that next step and bring in big names it didn’t work. Makes me wonder if we kept his original staff in place longer how differently things could’ve been.

 

[HankHill]

Given UF’s dedication to winning, their national irrelevance since 2009 is crazy. Shows how difficult it is to win consistently in the SEC.

They hired generationally great coaches basically back to back in spurrier and Meyer. I can’t think of another situation where two of the all time greats were hired close apart.

 

[Devo182]

I love the words that come out of kids mouths.

We’re driving down the road just a minute ago and Dwight Yoakams “Thousand Miles from Nowhere” comes over the radio.

My 9 year old boy says, “I hope that’s where Butch Jones is after what he did in 2017.”

I Lol’d

Did you educate him all about the 3rd world country of Alabama?

 

[Devo182]

A lot of the coaches that butch brought with him were actually good coaches. Especially strip, bajakian, Gillespie, elder, etc. when butch tried to take that next step and bring in big names it didn’t work. Makes me wonder if we kept his original staff in place longer how differently things could’ve been.

IF that includes the original S&C coach and Jancek, then quite a bit different. Those were major losses. Some raged against Jancek for a few poor 4th downs, when he consistently had us top in the country for 3rd down, which has far more impact and less variance. We were all the way down to allowing 20 ppg, despite having an uptempo offense. That 2015 defense was legit and Shoop never sniffed JJ's jockstrap. However, some or much of that may have been on Butch and not letting Shoop run the show. Who knows? What I do know is Jancek was a major loss most never realized.

 

[Devo182]

Given UF’s dedication to winning, their national irrelevance since 2009 is crazy. Shows how difficult it is to win consistently in the SEC.

#1 difference is they are missing those top 3 classes of Urban and even Muschamp. They were pulling eliiite talent back then. You could tell the talent had taken a step back by the end of Mcelwain's tenure. Which makes Mullen's 10 wins last year that more impressive. They still don't have top talent, but they do have top playcallers.

 

[Devo182]

They hired generationally great coaches basically back to back in spurrier and Meyer. I can’t think of another situation where two of the all time greats were hired close apart.

Bingo. Insane luck or whatever you want to call it. To think...had Spurrier had gone anywhere else, the Florida jumbojet probably never gets off the ground.

 

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[SmokinBob]

That’s the best place to reach others from...

 

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[smokeyz1]

A lot of the coaches that butch brought with him were actually good coaches. Especially strip, bajakian, Gillespie, elder, etc. when butch tried to take that next step and bring in big names it didn’t work. Makes me wonder if we kept his original staff in place longer how differently things could’ve been.

I think about 80% of Butch's downfall was when he let the players decide they didn't want the S&C coach (Dave Lawson) around anymore. Barnett, Dobbs, and Kamara were so good that losing the S&C coach didn't hurt them as much. They kept the team afloat in 2016, but after they went to the NFL, the lack of a S&C program showed up big time in 2017. Doesn't really matter who Butch's on field coaches were when you have the worst S&C program in the SEC. This is why keeping Fitz was so important. We are still trying to recover from Butch's bonehead management of the S&C program.

 

[Orangeredblooded]

I think about 80% of Butch's downfall was when he let the players decide they didn't want the S&C coach (Dave Lawson) around anymore. Barnett, Dobbs, and Kamara were so good that losing the S&C coach didn't hurt them as much. They kept the team afloat in 2016, but after they went to the NFL, the lack of a S&C program showed up big time in 2017. Doesn't really matter who Butch's on field coaches were when you have the worst S&C program in the SEC. This is why keeping Fitz was so important. We are still trying to recover from Butch's bonehead management of the S&C program.

I also think Butch just dialed it in his last year. Nowhere the same intensity as before. I believe he knew he was a dead man walking and was in over his head. Evidenced by him going to Alabama and letting Saban call him a intern on national tv.

 

[Aesius]

I also think Butch just dialed it in his last year. Nowhere the same intensity as before. I believe he knew he was a dead man walking and was in over his head. Evidenced by him going to Alabama and letting Saban call him a intern on national tv.

In hindsight Haney’s character assassination article was spot on regarding Butch’s personality and the way he was viewed. I don’t think the article should have been written (and it got Haney fired) but I also don’t think it was inaccurate.

 

[bag12day]

Thanks for asking. She's on a slow steady decline. At this point we've accepted the inevitable. All they do is treat the symptoms. Nothing is going to bring her even remotely back. I've always respected my dad but that has grown exponentially. It is very frustrating to deal with her, she can never be satisfied. If she is home she wants to be going somewhere. When she gets somewhere, she wants to be home. If she's standing, she wants to be sitting. If she's sitting, she wants to be standing. My dad handles that with the patients of Job. It's hard for me not to get angry with her and he reminds me that "it's not your mother." I think the disease has caused her to be bi-polar.

Dad and I have been to multiple Alzheimer's informational meetings and we know what's to come. It ain't pretty. My hope is dad doesn't wait too long before getting help,/placing her in a home. Years go they both purchased long term care insurance but it has it's limits of coverage. It's very good coverage but once the benefits are exhausted it's pretty much gone. Because of this he's worried she'll outlive the benefits. Physically she's in pretty good shape.

Lots of challenges ahead. All prayers are appreciated especially for her and my dad.

You have my prayers indeed, dealing with the same thing with my father.

 

[McGeesPub]

In hindsight Haney’s character assassination article was spot on regarding Butch’s personality and the way he was viewed. I don’t think the article should have been written (and it got Haney fired) but I also don’t think it was inaccurate.

If it’s spot on, I see no reason it should not be written. All the passionate defense of Butch was pretty comical, and it showed just how much of a tribal mentality some people have.

 

[VolGee4]

IF that includes the original S&C coach and Jancek, then quite a bit different. Those were major losses. Some raged against Jancek for a few poor 4th downs, when he consistently had us top in the country for 3rd down, which has far more impact and less variance. We were all the way down to allowing 20 ppg, despite having an uptempo offense. That 2015 defense was legit and Shoop never sniffed JJ's jockstrap. However, some or much of that may have been on Butch and not letting Shoop run the show. Who knows? What I do know is Jancek was a major loss most never realized.

If Jancek stayed, things may have been different. All I know is the 4th down call at UF was just strange.

 

[HankHill]

If Jancek stayed, things may have been different. All I know is the 4th down call at UF was just strange.

Yea it’s really crazy looking back on it. So many people talk about how butch brought his Mac Level staff and stuff but his first staff was very strong and they had a chip on their shoulder recruiting and were all about the grind.

Butch got in trouble when he swung big with hires like Hoke, Shoop, warren etc and they never had a chemistry.

 

[drvenner]

Bingo. Insane luck or whatever you want to call it. To think...had Spurrier had gone anywhere else, the Florida jumbojet probably never gets off the ground.

I wouldn't call it all luck. Jeremy Foley was really good at finding andhiring great coaches.

 

[HankHill]

I wouldn't call it all luck. Jeremy Foley was really good at finding andhiring great coaches.

This is true. Billy Donovan and Sullivan in baseball too right?

 

[drvenner]

In hindsight Haney’s character assassination article was spot on regarding Butch’s personality and the way he was viewed. I don’t think the article should have been written (and it got Haney fired) but I also don’t think it was inaccurate.

Somewhat agree. It was a pure hit piece and he seemed to seek out people who had an axe to grind.

 

[drvenner]

This is true. Billy Donovan and Sullivan in baseball too right?

Absolutely.

 

[drvenner]

Sitting in Guangzhou, waiting for the big flight to NY.

I was really interested in some wonderful loose leaf tea they were selling till I did the conversion. I’m thinking “I’m going to get about 9 pounds of great tea from TJ Maxx for that price.”

14 years ago this August, I landed at that airport, one day before I met my daughter.

 

[HankHill]

Absolutely.

Yea you could make the case he’s the best AD in college athletics ever.

2 national title winning football coaches
1 national title winning basketball coach
1 national title winning baseball coach.
1 national title winning softball coach


I’m sure they have probably won something in track, volleyball, soccer, swimming etc too