Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[nicksjuzunk]

Liverpool tho

 

[Rishvol]

Liverpool tho

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[AppStVol]

Liverpool tho

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YNWA. What a night at Anfield.

Kloppo is an unbelievable leader. To come back 3-0 without Firmino and Salah vs Barca was just an incredible accomplishment. Up there with Istanbul in 2005.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Liverpool tho

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As an Everton fan I am obligated to hate you

 

[bcmbvol]

Here is a really cool video on the iron bank, golden company, and why cersei was stupid to repay the bank in full before the final war. It also theorizes the bank, and thus golden company, will side with dany:

If only there was this much concern over our real life banking system...

 

[ChismsHeadband]

We're beating UF.

I have the same feeling about 19 Florida that I did about 18 Auburn. Soooo.....

 

[ChattaTNVol]

25 days until summer enrollees arrive
69 days until Pruitt is at the mic for SEC media days
99 days until the start of fall camp
115 days until kickoff against Georgia State
16,743 days until our next commit

 

[jakez4ut]

25 days until summer enrollees arrive
69 days until Pruitt is at the mic for SEC media days
99 days until the start of fall camp
115 days until kickoff against Georgia State
16,743 days until our next commit

Lol

 

[Devo182]

I was checking in on Helton a few days ago and he's announced he is running Air Raid at WKU this year. Don't know how well it's going to work but that's his plan. He brought in a number of additional WRs and while they already had a couple QBs with experience to work with he brought in the starting QB from last year's Arkansas team as a grad transfer I guess hoping to find at least one guy out of the bunch to make it work. Storey didn't do so hot at Arkansas but he got a ton of experience and won't be playing against an SEC schedule if he wins the job. WKU only won 3 games last year. The thinking is they can get to 6 this year. I think they'll do better than that. jmo.

Nice! Thanks for the update Chatt. I remember back in January thinking I needed to follow up on him and see if he was still into 8-man OLs and running down peoples' throats or if he went back to what he was taught years ago. This does worry me a bit, but I will stand by my hope that Chaney will earn his due respect and be allowed to do what he thinks is best.

 

[Devo182]

Yeah we’ve won there 3 times in the last 50 years: 1971, 2001 and 2003. I try not to get my hopes up!

Is that for real? W-o-w. Just shows how much shiz luck weve had vs them. 2017, 2015 should have been in the bag if not for absolute garbage in-game coaching. Goodness...

 

[chargervol]

I don't have any expertise or inside knowledge, but judging on the kind of guy CJP is and the type of OC Helton is, I'd say that was Pruitt kind of forcing his will on the team.

I go back and forth, then end up confused.
Helton was a passing game guy previously, Pruitt said we would have a big, powerful , run it down your throat kinda offense. So yeah, sounds like it was Pruitt.

Then...
He's on the JP show talking about what happened in 1 of our losses and says "Like here, we haven't been able to run the ball against them all day, so I can't figure out why we kept going back to it in critical situations"

And I'm left staring at the TV, with a full blown case of

 

[nicksjuzunk]

As an Everton fan I am obligated to hate you

As an Everton fan, you are have already shown poor judgement, so I don’t hold it against you.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

I know there are not many soccer fans here, so I’ll try to translate into football talk, what has taken place

It’s late 90’s. Tennessee and Florida State are in the playoffs, with a chance to go to the NC game. There is a home and away for each team, so they play twice.

Florida State beats Tennessee 21-0 at home. During practice, Travis Henry and Tee Martin get injured, missing the next game, almost assuring defeat.

Due to weird rules, Tennessee must win by at least 28-0. If FSU scores, Tennessee must score more. Naturally, FSU will just focus on defense. They don’t even need to score to advance, making the Vols chances even tougher.

Final score, Tennessee 28-0

 

[VolGee4]

I go back and forth, then end up confused.
Helton was a passing game guy previously, Pruitt said we would have a big, powerful , run it down your throat kinda offense. So yeah, sounds like it was Pruitt.

Then...
He's on the JP show talking about what happened in 1 of our losses and says "Like here, we haven't been able to run the ball against them all day, so I can't figure out why we kept going back to it in critical situations"

And I'm left staring at the TV, with a full blown case of
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That’s why hiring Chaney and giving him the keys to the offense could be a great thing. Whether it was Helton or Pruitt, it doesn’t really matter now because Pruitt trusts Chaney to run it. All I know is that the UF gameplan was awful and full of boneheaded calls.

 

[Devo182]

I go back and forth, then end up confused.
Helton was a passing game guy previously, Pruitt said we would have a big, powerful , run it down your throat kinda offense. So yeah, sounds like it was Pruitt.

Then...
He's on the JP show talking about what happened in 1 of our losses and says "Like here, we haven't been able to run the ball against them all day, so I can't figure out why we kept going back to it in critical situations"

And I'm left staring at the TV, with a full blown case of
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My rationale for that is he made dang sure Helton knew we would be a run-heavy, close formation offense, but laid off once Helton understood the expectation. Meaning he didn't tell him what to run series to series and so he could not understand why we stuck with running when it was failing so badly. But he probably should have understood his macromanagement of the offense would ultimately lean Helton toward running, even when it was failing.

Just my guess.

 

[Devo182]

I have the same feeling about 19 Florida that I did about 18 Auburn. Soooo.....

The big difference is Auburn was coming off a demoralizing loss to Miss St and Malzahn was getting heat. And we were fresh off a bye week. A big point many gloss over with that surprise win. Same as UK coming off a big, emotionally exhaustive loss to UGA.

 

[jakez4ut]

The big difference is Auburn was coming off a demoralizing loss to Miss St and Malzahn was getting heat. And we were fresh off a bye week. A big point many gloss over with that surprise win. Same as UK coming off a big, emotionally exhaustive loss to UGA.

Yeah Georgia is the team in the spot on the schedule that fits "upset" this year.

Don't see that happening tho lol.

 

[chargervol]

My rationale for that is he made dang sure Helton knew we would be a run-heavy, close formation offense, but laid off once Helton understood the expectation. Meaning he didn't tell him what to run series to series and so he could not understand why we stuck with running when it was failing so badly. But he probably should have understood his macromanagement of the offense would ultimately lean Helton toward running, even when it was failing.

Just my guess.

It's the same guess I've had since the day Pruitt made the comment. Hefty misunderstanding but makes more sense than anything else.

If you're guess was wrong, you're not alone.
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[ChattaTNVol]

Comparing projected starters:



Edited to add age of players.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Comparing projected starters:

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Spoiler: IT'S JUICY!

WGWTFA! GBO!

 

[vol2002]

Is that for real? W-o-w. Just shows how much shiz luck weve had vs them. 2017, 2015 should have been in the bag if not for absolute garbage in-game coaching. Goodness...

Winsipedia - Florida Gators vs. Tennessee Volunteers football series history games list

Yeah it’s for real. We didn’t play them every year until the SEC split into divisions so that makes this sound much worse. But they’ve pretty well owned us in the series. We won the first 10 a long, long time ago and they are 28-10 against us since then.

Our all-time records have taken a serious beating in general over the last 15ish years. I think fans forget how bad we are and have been. Helps put this recruiting lull in perspective. Gotta go grind and win back respect!

 

[ChattaTNVol]

It's the same guess I've had since the day Pruitt made the comment. I mean it does seem a little weird to have that much of a gap in understanding. But I just couldn't find anything else that made any sense, whatsoever.

If you're wrong, so am I.

Another story. The training that I received from the Navy as a nuclear power plant operator covered operations, maintenance, administration, and supervision. At the time in 1976 the training was estimated to have a value of $50,000. Obviously the cost of college has gone up over time much faster than the consumer price index but just using the CPI, that training in today’s dollars would perhaps be valued at $234,000. I was obligated to spend 6 years in the service in exchange for that training. In my class almost 40% of the initial members turned out to be busts. They failed out of the program. It was tough. I guess you might say that the evaluation process that the Navy used to identify prospects for the program was far from perfect in predicting who would succeed and who would not.

After I left the service and went into industry, initially, I tried to keep my head down and just do my job. The civilian world is a bit of an adjustment for someone coming out of the military. They try to prepare you for that but living in the real world is actually more hazardous than being in the service, in lots of ways. Some guys can’t hack it in civilian life so they return to the military and become what we would call lifers.

As I gained experience in industry and because I have a natural tendency to be conscientious, (I hate making mistakes and I hate being wrong), I was given ever increasing levels of responsibility. I’ve never been the type of person, ever, who wanted to be the boss. I don’t mind the responsibility but I just have an aversion to telling people what to do.

I, like hopefully everyone else, gradually, with increasing experience, figured out the best way that I could make things work for me. In the latter years of my career I was often asked to mentor younger (and sometimes older) employees of the client corporation and that was what I stressed the most. Figure out what works best for you to get the job done successfully. You can watch what I do but the way I do things and the way I work with people may not be what’s right for you. The number one rule when working with people is to be authentic. No one respects a fake. Learn from a lot of different people and then when you find what fits you and it works, you should do fine.

If I was in a project meeting and we had a problem in a given area the people responsible for that area would often look to management to figure out what to do. This is where I was really sneaky. I would ask them how they thought the situation should be addressed to get the desired outcome. I never knew anyone who didn’t have their own ideas. If, based on my understanding and experience, I thought their way would work, I’d say fine, let’s do that and let me know if I can provide any resources, run interference, or whatever you need to get this done. Call me anytime. The point is they’re a hell of a lot more apt to take ownership of the outcome if it is their idea.

Jeremy is going to have to do this his way and I think we want that. Based on what I’ve seen so far I think he’s open to figuring things out. He’s not perfect, not yet, not like us for sure, but I think he takes great pride in his performance and I trust his authenticity. It’s not an easy job. I think we’d all agree with that. I think he probably gets frustrated sometimes but probably all of us have experienced that in our own professions. Based on what he has said a number of times he is well aware of the fact that he has stuff yet to learn and he’ll make mistakes, again, just like everyone else has to in developing the expertise for whatever they are good at.

The only question we can never be sure of is how long that learning process might take. It’s different for everyone and those older employees that the client corporation would sometimes send my way for mentoring was an absolute waste of my time and theirs. If they’d been interested at all in excelling at their job they wouldn’t need mentoring 10-15 years deep into their careers. They were busts but you couldn’t fire them I guess. I never knew why but somehow they managed to hang around.

I think Jeremy is a fast learner and I think he will adapt quickly but he has to go through the learning phase before he figures out enough that he sort of has his wings. In the meantime, based on my experience, I think so far he’s one of those guys worth holding on to and investing in his development. I guess you could say he’s a guy I’m going to support because when he gets it all figured out his way, he has the probability, I think, of being pretty good. Now the catch to that is some people, including me, are going to question some of the things he may at times do, at least until he begins producing the desired results. That’s only natural. After all, if we weren’t experts in our own right, why would we even care? jmo.

 

[BigOrange15]

Another story. The training that I received from the Navy as a nuclear power plant operator covered operations, maintenance, administration, and supervision. At the time in 1976 the training was estimated to have a value of $50,000. Obviously the cost of college has gone up over time much faster than the consumer price index but just using the CPI, that training in today’s dollars would perhaps be valued at $234,000. I was obligated to spend 6 years in the service in exchange for that training. In my class almost 40% of the initial members turned out to be busts. They failed out of the program. It was tough. I guess you might say that the evaluation process that the Navy used to identify prospects for the program was far from perfect in predicting who would succeed and who would not.

After I left the service and went into industry, initially, I tried to keep my head down and just do my job. The civilian world is a bit of an adjustment for someone coming out of the military. They try to prepare you for that but living in the real world is actually more hazardous than being in the service, in lots of ways. Some guys can’t hack it in civilian life so they return to the military and become what we would call lifers.

As I gained experience in industry and because I have a natural tendency to be conscientious, (I hate making mistakes and I hate being wrong), I was given ever increasing levels of responsibility. I’ve never been the type of person, ever, who wanted to be the boss. I don’t mind the responsibility but I just have an aversion to telling people what to do.

I, like hopefully everyone else, gradually, with increasing experience, figured out the best way that I could make things work for me. In the latter years of my career I was often asked to mentor younger (and sometimes older) employees of the client cooperation and that was what I stressed the most. Figure out what works best for you to get the job done successfully. You can watch what I do but the way I do things and the way I work with people may not be what’s right for you. The number one rule when working with people is to be authentic. No one respects a fake. Learn from a lot of different people and then when you find what fits you and it works, you should do fine.

If I was in a project meeting and we had a problem in a given area the people responsible for that area would often look to management to figure out what to do. This is where I was really sneaky. I would ask them how they thought the situation should be addressed to get the desired outcome. I never knew anyone who didn’t have their own ideas. If, based on my understanding and experience, I thought their way would work, I’d say fine, let’s do that and let me know if I can provide any resources, run interference, or whatever you need to get this done. Call me anytime. The point is they’re a hell of a lot more apt to take ownership of the outcome if it is their idea.

Jeremy is going to have to do this his way and I think we want that. Based on what I’ve seen so far I think he’s open to figuring things out. He’s not perfect, not yet, not like us for sure, but I think he takes great pride in his performance and I trust his authenticity. It’s not an easy job. I think we’d all agree with that. I think he probably gets frustrated sometimes but probably all of us have experienced that in our own professions. Based on what he has said a number of times he is well aware of the fact that he has stuff yet to learn and he’ll make mistakes, again, just like everyone else has to in developing the expertise for whatever they are good at.

The only question we can never be sure of is how long that learning process might take. It’s different for everyone and those older employees that the client cooperation would sometimes send my way for mentoring was an absolute waste of my time and theirs. If they’d been interested at all in excelling at their job they wouldn’t need mentoring 10-15 years deep into their careers. They were busts but you couldn’t fire them I guess. I never knew why but somehow they managed to hang around.

I think Jeremy is a fast learner and I think he will adapt quickly but he has to go through the learning phase before he figures out enough that he sort of has his wings. In the meantime, based on my experience, I think so far he’s one of those guys worth holding on to and investing in his development. I guess you could say he’s a guy I’m going to support because when he gets it all figured out his way, he has the probability, I think, of being pretty good. Now the catch to that is some people, including me, are going to question some of the things he may at times do, at least until he begins producing the desired results. That’s only natural. After all, if we weren’t experts in our own right, why would we even care? jmo.

Your post quality/number ratio has to be one of the best on this board.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Your post quality/number ratio has to be one of the best on this board.

But his like to word ratio is very upside down. . (Just kidding Chatt. You know I love you.)

 

[chargervol]

Another story. The training that I received from the Navy as a nuclear power plant operator covered operations, maintenance, administration, and supervision. At the time in 1976 the training was estimated to have a value of $50,000. Obviously the cost of college has gone up over time much faster than the consumer price index but just using the CPI, that training in today’s dollars would perhaps be valued at $234,000. I was obligated to spend 6 years in the service in exchange for that training. In my class almost 40% of the initial members turned out to be busts. They failed out of the program. It was tough. I guess you might say that the evaluation process that the Navy used to identify prospects for the program was far from perfect in predicting who would succeed and who would not.

After I left the service and went into industry, initially, I tried to keep my head down and just do my job. The civilian world is a bit of an adjustment for someone coming out of the military. They try to prepare you for that but living in the real world is actually more hazardous than being in the service, in lots of ways. Some guys can’t hack it in civilian life so they return to the military and become what we would call lifers.

As I gained experience in industry and because I have a natural tendency to be conscientious, (I hate making mistakes and I hate being wrong), I was given ever increasing levels of responsibility. I’ve never been the type of person, ever, who wanted to be the boss. I don’t mind the responsibility but I just have an aversion to telling people what to do.

I, like hopefully everyone else, gradually, with increasing experience, figured out the best way that I could make things work for me. In the latter years of my career I was often asked to mentor younger (and sometimes older) employees of the client cooperation and that was what I stressed the most. Figure out what works best for you to get the job done successfully. You can watch what I do but the way I do things and the way I work with people may not be what’s right for you. The number one rule when working with people is to be authentic. No one respects a fake. Learn from a lot of different people and then when you find what fits you and it works, you should do fine.

If I was in a project meeting and we had a problem in a given area the people responsible for that area would often look to management to figure out what to do. This is where I was really sneaky. I would ask them how they thought the situation should be addressed to get the desired outcome. I never knew anyone who didn’t have their own ideas. If, based on my understanding and experience, I thought their way would work, I’d say fine, let’s do that and let me know if I can provide any resources, run interference, or whatever you need to get this done. Call me anytime. The point is they’re a hell of a lot more apt to take ownership of the outcome if it is their idea.

Jeremy is going to have to do this his way and I think we want that. Based on what I’ve seen so far I think he’s open to figuring things out. He’s not perfect, not yet, not like us for sure, but I think he takes great pride in his performance and I trust his authenticity. It’s not an easy job. I think we’d all agree with that. I think he probably gets frustrated sometimes but probably all of us have experienced that in our own professions. Based on what he has said a number of times he is well aware of the fact that he has stuff yet to learn and he’ll make mistakes, again, just like everyone else has to in developing the expertise for whatever they are good at.

The only question we can never be sure of is how long that learning process might take. It’s different for everyone and those older employees that the client cooperation would sometimes send my way for mentoring was an absolute waste of my time and theirs. If they’d been interested at all in excelling at their job they wouldn’t need mentoring 10-15 years deep into their careers. They were busts but you couldn’t fire them I guess. I never knew why but somehow they managed to hang around.

I think Jeremy is a fast learner and I think he will adapt quickly but he has to go through the learning phase before he figures out enough that he sort of has his wings. In the meantime, based on my experience, I think so far he’s one of those guys worth holding on to and investing in his development. I guess you could say he’s a guy I’m going to support because when he gets it all figured out his way, he has the probability, I think, of being pretty good. Now the catch to that is some people, including me, are going to question some of the things he may at times do, at least until he begins producing the desired results. That’s only natural. After all, if we weren’t experts in our own right, why would we even care? jmo.

Love the comparison but I was talking about Helton.

My guess was Pruitt wanted an offense very capable of a run game, just not at the expense of production. Helton seems 'aim to please' and went further than Pruitt intended.

Think both guys will do fine, personalities were just a bad combo. Helton would do better with a less strong/intimidating boss and Pruitt needs a Chaney that will shoot straight with him.
Nothing more.