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[csprig9]

You guys see the bottom line ticker saying a Oklahoma State DT is opting out of rest of season to prep for draft? I don’t know all the deets, but if this isn’t injury related this wouldn’t sit well with me as a teammate.

I saw that also

And no we don’t want a backup safety from Louisville who barely played

 

[Girth Brooks]

I think part of Heupels genius is not just the Xs and 0s stuff...the scheming itself. I have started to realize his real genius is teaching his QB and rest of the offense how to execute that scheme. I think of something that Hooker had said a couple of weeks ago about truly understanding the "fluidity" of the offense. I think they all do.

A lot of Coaches KNOW this scheme, but Heupel excels at TEACHING his players how to execute it.

Do you guys know what I mean? As long as we have Josh Heupel, we will especially have really good to elite QB play, and really good to elite offense as a whole...obviously it will ebb send flow from season to season as players come and go.

At one time when at UCF thanks to injuries JH was down to a QB that absolutely sucked (can't recall his name) and STILL somehow managed to wring a lot of yards and points out of his offense.

He is our Spurrier..no that is not right...he is our Heupel. Spurrier was a prick that although he got good QB play, he also damaged some of his guys confidence by being a massive jackass to them. Heupel goes about his job completely different.

Yes, it ultimately comes down to execution, however, the scheme in and of itself rocks the defense back on its heels because it forces them to pick a lane or a man. The bad part about “committing” is it leaves a void elsewhere, which we expose by diagnosing coverages, flooding zones/layers, and just simply outmanning our opponent with grit and athleticism. Even though we don’t use our TEs and RBs much in the passing game, they are what really makes it tick. We use them exceptionally well to freeze corners in cover 2 and move LBs laterally, leaving each deep 1/3 with 2-3 guys deciding how to cover 3-4 WRs.

 

[Weezer]

I hope we land this guy

Ummmm. I hope you land the guy?


I don't judge.

 

[Weezer]

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How long did you follow it for?

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

How long did you follow it for?

Follow it?

I was driving it.

 

[Devo182]

Rewatching the game for like the fifth time and wow were we lucky they called PI on Bama in the end zone on the pass to Fant. Feels like that usually goes Bama’s way, they score another TD and win by 14. Not this time. What a magical game.

Yea that was a tough PI call. He got there early but it was a makeup call for the PI on Rucker so I'm good with it. Lol.

 

[Weezer]

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I will gladly take any 2 time all American DEFENSIVE BACK

I don't know. Reading that, I'm not sure he speaks well.

 

[jave36]

To be fair, Heupel didn’t see it right away, either.

Heupels system is making hooker look better than he'd look almost anywhere else. A lot of offensive players are going to come here after looking bad elsewhere then look amazing here. Hooker is not the most talented qb in the country, but heupels system is allowing him to have the best stats of anyone in the country.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

 

[tnvols72]

 

[Devo182]

Bama could lose this weekend to the Pirate. Super glad they play a real game right after.

Miss St defense isn’t great so we will see.

Maybe not "great" but it is quite good. It's what they've had going for them the last 2 years.

#36 scoring defense so far.

That said, it's the type of offense (and lack of raw talent) that folds vs great defenses. Their average score the past few years has been something like 50-9 or so what I heard.

 

[Girth Brooks]

 

[tnhunter 10]

Football & Grits pod

Side note - David Ubben's mother passed away

David: the Tennessee Alabama game is one of the greatest regular season games, certainly the best game that I have ever been at, and the best environment that I have ever been at. After the field storming I came up with the idea to follow the guys carrying the goal post.



David: the town was crazy. Before you can get into what this game means, you just have to appreciate it as a spectacle. I could not stop smiling, like in the press box. It was just incredible football being played. Some people don't like the 100+ point shootouts. Let me tell you, this was not a bunch of busted coverages. This was good offenses making really good plays. Two QBs refusing the lose. Young in a losing effort was a magician, and still got outclassed by Hendon Hooker in that game. Hooker pulled some Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes stuff at the end to set up the game winning field goal. This is why we love college football. This is the sport at its best. Witnessing the game as a fan was a privelage, witnessing it in person was even bigger. That scene, the fans. I'm still buzzing from it. It was unbelievable. Watching that game from the press box, and then down on the field for the last 8 minutes. I could not stop smiling. I am still in awe of that game. I am sure that all the fans that were there will never forget it. I will never forget it. I followed those goal posts like 2 or 3 miles. It was just a great, great night. From what I've seen, the TV broadcast reflected that.

Brody: I am in that group of people that doesn't want a 100 point shootout every time. But this was a perfect football game. Everything was like watching a chess match football game. The offense was excellence. Everything Bama did, they had to make plays. If anything, Tennessee was - not necessarily cakewalking, but getting open guys. Everything with the Tennessee-Florida game was wow neyland stadium is gonna be unreal, and this took it to another level. I can't really think of another comp where a fan base is having this ridiculous cathartic experience. We've seen bad teams finally have good years before and that's fun, but to have this game, and this hate your life experience that the fans have had. That is a different release when you get something like this.

David: part of it was that this was kind of out of nowhere. Even optimistic Vols fans were like ok let's improve on last year. Let's win some games, we've got some pieces but we still have holes, all this stuff, the offense will be good. Then you talk about the reception of the Heupel hire. It was not super well received. Most people kind of shrugged. It has become such a perfect fit because offense has the scheme, defense has the havoc, but big picture, Josh Heupel is an astoundingly normal person. There aren't many normal people that are head coaches. Some are quiet geniuses, but Heupel is this normal dude. That resonates with people. Especially when you've had Dooley and Jones and Pruitt. None of those guys really quite resonated with the fans the same way. The fans appreciate it, the players respond to it. The fans are in a dream state. They didn't have a lot of pressure going into the season, Tennessee is playing with so much house money right now. Every fan is like I can't believe this is happening. But on the field it's not like you're wondering how they're doing this. They're good! They have the best offense in the country. We are talking Tennessee in the playoffs which is just insane. It's not even that they're in the hunt, it's that it's going to be really hard to keep them out now. They would have to do something unthinkable to not make the playoff. That's crazy! As long as you don't get blown off the field by UGA. Tennessee will be in that game, it's gonna be close. There is no one dominant team in CFB this year. Is Tennessee the best team in the country? By resume they are. Vote them #1.

Brody: I can make the case. They have the scariest feature in the country. Their offense is scarier than UGA's defense. Hooker is the most in command of all of college football. They are in the drivers seat. I thought the defense would be an issue. They do not play bad defense. They cause pressure, all the time. Bama made great plays, but that's not against tennessees defense. I don't see them slipping up.

David: the secondary is not very good. But they have a bunch of guys in their front 7. Alabama used to bully Tennessee but Tennessee was physical. They are good on the OL and front 7. Tennessee matches up against UGA well.

Brody: that Pitt game was huge. They have Kentucky coming up, they'll be 10+ points favorite. That's the potential for a clunker.

David: but it's in Neyland. And don't have a disaster against SCar. Everyone is roasting Beamer by the way. If you beat UGA, you're in. That's that. If you lose, as long as it's close, you might be in. The committee loves resume. You're sitting at 11-1 and you have to love your chances.

[playoff scenarios and current standings]

Brody: this is real for Tennessee.

David: if you ask me now I will say Tennessee makes the playoff. The UGA game comes down to what it took for Tennessee to beat Alabama. Tennessee is mentally tough. Clutch moments. It looked like Alabama might run Bama off the field, they come back, Tennessee keeps playing. The scoop n score, the fans wearing the cup are like oh of course. But no Tennessee marches down the field. Rally from that. Defense holds. Offense makes great plays and you win the game. They said alright we got it. And it's lead by Hooker. His life was in the balance at one point. They are playing with house money, he's playing with house money. This team really does remind me of 2000 Oklahoma. The team that Heupel was a part of. Year 1 7-5, year two they kept winning games. There was no great team out there, they survived and won a title (@Enki_Amenra ). They aren't getting lucky, they're just winning games. Aside from UGA you've got a bunch of teams you should win. They don't have to impress, just don't be terrible.

Brody: playing Bama with a lead is like playing prime Tiger with a lead. They roar back. Tennessee won it. They've checked every box. They've won every game and passed every challenge. Pitt, Florida, LSU, Bama. The last challenge is UGA. This is great for college football.

David: the sleeping giant is back. This is great for CFB. They're great.

Tears of joy

 

[SoilVol]

If you listed to a whole game of his, you can follow it so well and you'll often feel like you're watching it. He doesn't do the crazy big moment that we'll, but he just describes every single play in a way that you can see it in your head. With kesling, I have no idea what just happened, who just did what, down and distance, score, time on the clock,etc...it's just a frustrating experience.

I mean the Music City Miracle call was pretty good...

 

[Hardy]

Dude you can clearly see her in his face saying something.. right before she runs off. Comon'.

If she actually didn't say anything to him I agree with you. But if she did it's no big deal. That's a sword that cuts both ways. It's not very ladylike to get in a guy's face as he's trying to get off the field. And that's what looks like happened to me.

Something is wrong with you.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Dem Orange britches.

A light blue helmet would have been cool. Especially if they would of done all orange with blue outlines.

 

[Girth Brooks]

We broke the greatest defensive mind to ever coach the game.

 

[Vol464]

A woman can be the best or worst thing to happen to a man. lol

That goes both ways!

 

[volKano]

Summit Blue on Homecoming Weekend on the uniforms, absolutely would mean a lot. Hell just outline the white numbers with it on the orange uniforms and I'd be pretty tickled.

Heard that the deal with Nike blue is for Lady Vols sports only. No chance it happens this year.

 

[WangoTango]

I hope that we all appreciate that our HC and staff had a plan that they hatched last season, experimented with last season and are perfecting before our eyes. We watched "conventional" football for so long that it was hard to see that this great departure from "conventional" was exactly what this program needed to vault into relevance and the cusp of prominence again. Our offense is simple enough to allow players to react and be athletes making plays but not predictable. The defense is throwing away the idea that dominance is defined by a boxscore with stats. Rather, our dominance is defined by the chaos that is caused and the extra possessions that we give to the offense. One thing lost in all the talk of bad defense is that we make every offense earn their yards and we don't give up quick drives. Time of possession is a dinosaur that means less than ever before. In the case of our Vols, winning TOP against us could be your death knell. When we score virtually every possession and we score more TD's than FG's and it takes you twice as long to try and match that, eventually you are going to make more mistakes that kill your drives (negating your TOP) or you just simply limit your opportunities with fewer possessions even though you possessed the ball longer. Our defense is either going to speed up the game by causing havoc and give our offense more possessions to be deadly efficient or they are going to make you drive the field, run the clock, kick FG's or turn it over in the red zone. As an opponent, you find yourself taking chances that you normally wouldn't at some point because you realize that more possessions and not merely possession is your only option. Pretty amazing to think about where we've been and where we now are.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

We broke the greatest defensive mind to ever coach the game.

Saban is in awe of what Tenneessee does. I don't think he even has any self-awareness about it.

 

[Ashevolle]

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[TN-POSSUM]

Same scenario following Pat, Saban etc. No one follows a GOAT and expects to succeed. (Not really the answer to your question).

I get that. No one was going to replace John Ward, he was one of a kind and has been the best play by play man in my lifetime. But Kesling didn't have any radio play by play experience calling football, if I'm remembering that correctly. Like I said earlier, he was the sports anchor for WBIR, a Knoxville TV station, and has that same unimaginative mindset. John Ward might have mentored Kesling but Bob should have not been his successor. The Tennessee Volunteers deserves a better "Voice".

 

[VolsnCards5]

This Virginia-Georgia Tech game is borderline unwatchable

 

[volinokc]

We broke the greatest defensive mind to ever coach the game.

It’s like when the forward pass first became cutting-edge, and our guy is leading the way. He’s changing the game and no one has a choice but to get on board or get left standing. He makes it look so easy too. This is fun.