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[MoCo_Vol]

Mandolin Orange also kind of sets the expectation that their music is always going to be somewhat bluegrass or folk and they wanted to get away from that from what they've said in an interview I heard. It makes sense in some way, but I thought the music they made under that name fit it. I admittedly have not listened to any of their newer stuff to see if they're moving away from what they used to do.

To be honest I never felt their earlier stuff was under the bluegrass umbrella anyway. They have always sounded to me to mostly be an Americana folk act and that hasn't changed under the new name. At least not to my ear, still incorporates the mandolin.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Wouldn't worry much about recruiting right now. UT is keeping powder dry for the portal. Portal shopping with NIL money adds a new layer to recruiting. UT has had more luck than not with portal players, and we will have good opportunities to add experience at key positions.

Been trying to tell ‘em LA.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

We were lead to believe that by Volquest. I remember AP saying a gajillion of 4️ to 5️ loved our big Volopolozoa during the summer and many were ready to commit, but wanted to let the season play out.

Well the season is playing out perfectly and yet...

Yep

 

[SweetasSoda]

Y'all need to be more careful with these tasers.

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[Sleegro]

Free life advice. Don't run from cops with a gallon of Gas in yer backpack.

 

[Vol464]

In the history of the playoffs only 2 teams have made it that weren’t top 10 in talent rankings: Cincy and MSU. And both of those teams were reminded very quickly of the difference in talent.

If we win the national title it will be the first team to ever do it ranked as low in talent as we are. And the majority of the players we are depending on are 4 and 5 star guys I remind you.

But let’s go deeper. Do you believe Heup would’ve won a real national title at UCF? If you say yes you’re lying. And you know it.

Heupel is the best offensive coach in college football and there’s no denying it. What he’s doing is extraordinary. But to sustain it, we will have to get and keep developing talent. Ga is good because of talent not Kirby. We may beat them still this year. But do we want to beat them next year and the next and the next?

Arguing that we don’t need talent is nonsensical. Heup isn’t winning anything at Vandy.

One thing is sure: if you have a good to great quarterback that can execute this offense with near flawlessness, you raise the odds quite a bit.
Any other QB and we don’t beat bama this year. We raise the talent level(particularly on defense) and the QB can slide back towards good and still have success.

 

[Chuckie]

All these snake jokes...the first one that comes to mind for me is this quote from Adam Sandler in his role as The Buffoon:

"I got a snake, man (pronounced "main"). One time I fed him some beer...he was slivering this way and that. It was all f#$!ed up."

Just seeing the script doesn't do it justice...you have to hear it in context and in the accent he uses for the character.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

In the history of the playoffs only 2 teams have made it that weren’t top 10 in talent rankings: Cincy and MSU. And both of those teams were reminded very quickly of the difference in talent.

If we win the national title it will be the first team to ever do it ranked as low in talent as we are. And the majority of the players we are depending on are 4 and 5 star guys I remind you.

But let’s go deeper. Do you believe Heup would’ve won a real national title at UCF? If you say yes you’re lying. And you know it.

Heupel is the best offensive coach in college football and there’s no denying it. What he’s doing is extraordinary. But to sustain it, we will have to get and keep developing talent. Ga is good because of talent not Kirby. We may beat them still this year. But do we want to beat them next year and the next and the next?

Arguing that we don’t need talent is nonsensical. Heup isn’t winning anything at Vandy.

Heup is winning with some former high rated players who had flamed out at other schools but that Heup and staff actually developed, and the Vol 4*s you talk about were not "elite" 4*s...they were a lot of guys that were ranked as 3s and barely 4s by different services.

The truth is that the only really highly coveted out of high school guys on this roster are Darnell and Bru, and Bru was picked up off of the portal scrap heap...he wasn't a highly sought after portal guy like Neyor.


Whayever though...I don't really totally disagree with your concerns.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

One thing is sure: if you have a good to great quarterback that can execute this offense with near flawlessness, you raise the odds quite a bit.
Any other QB and we don’t beat bama this year. We raise the talent level(particularly on defense) and the QB can slide back towards good and still have success.

Exactly. Thank you.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

To add to this, the main reason that stars matter is because it allows for quality depth. Through the football season, and especially in SEC play, you will start to take some hits on players being injured or taking damage. UGA, Bama, Ohio St have the luxury of plugging in elite backups with equal talent but less experience.

We are a fantastic team. Sometimes the stars align and you can make it through the season mostly unscathed. Sometimes you have an ELITE QB that can elevate an otherwise great-not-elite team to playoff contender status. The only teams that won with a blue chip ratio in the 50's/60's were 2013 Florida State (Winston, 53%), 2016 Clemson (Watson, 52%), 2018 Clemson (Lawrence, 61%), and 2019 LSU (Burrow, 64%). We are probably closest to the FSU and Clemson teams from the early 10's that won with potent offenses led by outstanding QB play.

I think that our schedule is finally benefitting us, along with (finally) having a staff that can develop talent. It's interesting what happens when the league doesn't set us up to be roadkill from a scheduling standpoint (either dates or kickoff times). Plus other teams are finally hitting lulls, when we were in a sustained one for way too long.

The widely agreed upon cycle of success in College Football is Recruit Elite Talent, Develop Talent to Win, Win to Recruit Elite Talent, repeat... (the longer this cycle repeats for a program, the better the program becomes)

Some coaches win to recruit, like Saban. Some recruit to win, like Kirby. They all need to get, keep, and improve elite talent to win.

I am happy that we are bucking the trend of being the best roster. But we are the exception. Some posters here are getting excited, like they've been waiting 15 years to say "I knew it! You don't need the best players to win!"

We are too early to know if this is true. We aren't even close to the postseason yet. I hope that we win out and prove a system/school of thought (that is constantly reinforced by facts) wrong.

There is a lot of binary thinking on this board when it comes to recruiting conversations and how that relates to winning.

Will simply having the best players lead to a championship? No.
Will being the best developer lead to a championship? No.

It takes culture, it takes nutrition, it takes strength training, it takes development, it takes recruiting, it takes great coaching, it takes help from things that you have no control over whatsoever. All of these things blend together to build championship football.

Good post

 

[Nash_Vol97]

GoVols247 staff picks: No. 19 Kentucky at No. 3 Vols, other Week 9 games

Nice. All picked to win, of course, and Callahan had the smallest margin victory at 14 points. The rest were all 17+ point margin of victory predictions.

 

[peaygolf]

All these snake jokes...the first one that comes to mind for me is this quote from Adam Sandler in his role as The Buffoon:

"I got a snake, man (pronounced "main"). One time I fed him some beer...he was slivering this way and that. It was all f#$!ed up."

Just seeing the script doesn't do it justice...you have to hear it in context and in the accent he uses for the character.

A jellyfish, a copperhead, and a snail walk into a bar.................bartender says, “This is impossible.”

 

[Rishvol]

A jellyfish, a copperhead, and a snail walk into a bar.................bartender says, “This is impossible.”

Why did the butterfly not attend the dance?
It was a Moth Ball

 

[luthervol]

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That's some kind of _________head, but I don't think it's a copper head.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Something else to point out...you may still see some improvement in our recruits ratings.

Cause when the Vols are winning we'll have a bit of a "Bama bump" to ratings. I mean we're 11th or 12th in most list and it's October still. Seems like we've been outside the top 15 the last few years around this time scrambling to add talent to get us higher up, so I'm pretty content with where we are. Heupel's already recruiting better than most the negaVols claimed he would.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I need y’all to post more… I just went to the FF for content…. Immediately regretted it.

 

[SweetasSoda]

 

[volbeast33]

 

[Devo182]

What I imagine a Mike Leach political campaign looking like...

 

[drvenner]

I wish the word would just go away in all it's forms, but currently...... context is important.

This is the best solution. There is so much painful history with this word, that it is best if it is just not used.

 

[drvenner]

We’re being out recruited by Fl who sucks. We haven’t gotten anyone since the season started for the ‘23 class. We were just pushed out of the top 10.

I’m sure we’ll close strong but we aren’t seeing the kind of momentum for this class I thought we would after this start. Again, can’t even get some of our top targets to visit. Ga may be about to flip the RB commit for AU, we can’t even get him to answer the phone.

I mean, I like the ‘23 class, but it can be a lot better and so far we have no momentum since the start of the season in ‘23 recruiting

I think it proves recruiting is more about relationships and now, NIL, than anything else.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

There's little certainty in recruiting. People hear things. Players talk. Peer-to-peer recruiting plants seeds. The coaches know the kind of players they're looking for and the positions they need filled. But it's always going to be about timing and opportunities and the ability to offer what a good player wants in a competitive landscape. Some coaches hate this. Others approach it as a strategy for building faster.

In other words some coaches believe "Chaos is a ladder"

 

[drvenner]

Jimbo left FSU in shambles and now people are surprised what is happening at TAMU?

 

[Chuckie]

Why did the butterfly not attend the dance?
It was a Moth Ball

Speaking of moth jokes...this one is the GOAT, from Norm Macdonald. You can find video of him doing it on Conan O'Brian's show:

A moth goes into a podiatrist’s office, and the podiatrist says, “What seems to be the problem, moth?”

The moth says “What’s the problem? Where do I begin, man? I go to work for Gregory Illinivich, and all day long I work. Honestly doc, I don’t even know what I’m doing anymore. I don’t even know if Gregory Illinivich knows. He only knows that he has power over me, and that seems to bring him happiness. But I don’t know, I wake up in a malaise, and I walk here and there… at night I…I sometimes wake up and I turn to some old lady in my bed that’s on my arm. A lady that I once loved, doc. I don’t know where to turn to. My youngest, Alexendria, she fell in the…in the cold of last year. The cold took her down, as it did many of us. And my other boy, and this is the hardest pill to swallow, doc. My other boy, Gregarro Ivinalititavitch… I no longer love him. As much as it pains me to say, when I look in his eyes, all I see is the same cowardice that I… that I catch when I take a glimpse of my own face in the mirror. If only I wasn’t such a coward, then perhaps…perhaps I could bring myself to reach over to that cocked and loaded gun that lays on the bedside behind me and end this hellish facade once and for all…Doc, sometimes I feel like a spider, even though I’m a moth, just barely hanging on to my web with an everlasting fire underneath me. I’m not feeling good.

And so the doctor says, “Moth, man, you’re troubled. But you should be seeing a psychiatrist. Why on earth did you come here?”

And the moth says, “‘Cause the light was on."

 

[Devo182]

We’re being out recruited by Fl who sucks. We haven’t gotten anyone since the season started for the ‘23 class. We were just pushed out of the top 10.

I’m sure we’ll close strong but we aren’t seeing the kind of momentum for this class I thought we would after this start. Again, can’t even get some of our top targets to visit. Ga may be about to flip the RB commit for AU, we can’t even get him to answer the phone.

I mean, I like the ‘23 class, but it can be a lot better and so far we have no momentum since the start of the season in ‘23 recruiting

Callahan has warned fans of this for a long time. Current success or failure doesn't show up in the current class, just future ones.

Florida should recruit well because they are getting the first year hc recruiting bump. Everybody gets one (unless you were hype and buried under the predecessor's NCAA garbage)