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[Cosmo Kramer]

Salivating at the possibility of him manning RT for my Bears.

Bears fan myself. We have almost double the cap space this offseason of every other team. Get Fields some help at OL and WR for sure

 

[Johnny Majors' Ghost]

When and if Kiffin gets the Auburn job does he bring Ed Orgeron in as assistant head coach/defensive line coach? Would love to see it.

 

[SweetasSoda]

After seeing what Heupel and staff can do with the group of players he got, I don't even care that much about rankings anymore.

Get me the right people in a respectable top 20 or higher class and let Heupel continue show three stars can be made into five stars.

Yes! He is going after character and intelligence just as much as talent. This year they have a lot that recruiting sites have not really evaluated as much. But they like them and are not going to chase after all the 5*s just to dump them. It’s next year’s class that will be the monster class.

 

[VolGee4]

I get that but there seems to be some truth. Since Saban took over, Alabama has been in top 3 or so every year.

I think he landed the #1 class his first year at Alabama.

Kirby Smart took over and did same thing at Georgia.

You can see the feedback from these posters in this thread: Big Week in SEC Next Week

Granted one is a Georgia fan but they are right that you really need to be in that top 5 range to be elite.

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Clemson didn't have to. They won their first title in 2016. In 2013, they were ranked 15th and got guys like Shaq Lawson, Mike Williams, Wayne Gallman, Jayron Kearse, and Makensie Alexander. In 2014, thy were ranked 16th with Deshaun Watson. In 2015, they were ranked 9th with Deon Cain, Mith Hyatt, Christian Wilkins, and Clelin Ferrell. In 2016, they were ranked 11th with Dexter Lawrence, Tavien Feaster, and Isaiah Simmons. One class barely inside the top 10 before winning their title.

Then, they won the title again in 2018. They were ranked 16th in 2017 and finally 7th in 2018.

Recruiting is certainly important, and it has to be top 15ish. But coaching can take top 15 talent and turn it into a top 5 team. You also need an elite QB- that is the position where talent can get you to elite status.

 

[Aesius]

When and if Kiffin gets the Auburn job does he bring Ed Orgeron in as assistant head coach/defensive line coach? Would love to see it.

He already has plenty of practice saying "Geaux Tigahs"

 

[bignewt]

For us, yes. However, I think we will still be chasing Alabama and Georgia hoping for upsets until we start recruiting at their level. I won't lie, though, I would be totally happy with that compared to where we have been.

We could clean house in December once the staff is done with the season. I am probably just being a worry wart because I am listening to fans on other boards (notably Michigan fans who keep talking about recruiting as their excuse for why they cannot compete with Ohio State regularly).

Heup knows. He has proven that. The days of hand wringing over where we are ranked on 24/7 vs Florida are over. Those that have not accepted that deserve the ulcers.

 

[Glitch]

didnt see that coming.

 

[volbound1700]

Clemson didn't have to. They won their first title in 2016. In 2013, they were ranked 15th and got guys like Shaq Lawson, Mike Williams, Wayne Gallman, Jayron Kearse, and Makensie Alexander. In 2014, thy were ranked 16th with Deshaun Watson. In 2015, they were ranked 9th with Deon Cain, Mith Hyatt, Christian Wilkins, and Clelin Ferrell. In 2016, they were ranked 11th with Dexter Lawrence, Tavien Feaster, and Isaiah Simmons. One class barely inside the top 10 before winning their title.

Then, they won the title again in 2018. They were ranked 16th in 2017 and finally 7th in 2018.

Recruiting is certainly important, and it has to be top 15ish. But coaching can take top 15 talent and turn it into a top 5 team.

Interesting and great post. Is definitely a good counter to the people that I was talking to on HooplaNation. You should come over .

 

[Orange.]

Don't let that FF guy take over the board. I think he is a troll even over there.

 

[Sleegro]

Bears fan myself. We have almost double the cap space this offseason of every other team. Get Fields some help at OL and WR for sure

They just traded roquan to the ravens.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I'll just say this. Very few recruiting services/websites have the sort of funding and manpower that a top tier P5 school has for recruiting evaluation.

They go "hey that's a top team and they like player X so player X must be really good" it's why the Bama bump exist. UT being a winner again we'll see the same thing happen to players we're getting as well.

I fully believe Ethan Davis is a better TE prospect than Pearce Spurlin, but Georgia has one committed and he's ranked 3 spots higher on 247 because of it.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

They just traded roquan to the ravens.

He was a FA after this season anyway

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

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We are an anomaly because of a few things

Great coaching/player development/transcendent offensive scheme

Covid year players

Who we've gotten in the transfer portal.

These things have allowed the gap to be closed between the top dogs and the next tier below.

Think of what we've gotten from the portal alone

Hooker
Milton
Mincey
Hadden
Turnage
Wesley Walker
DaJon Terry
Bru
Juwan Mitchell
Turrentine (depth)
Etc.

All those guys have majorly contributed to our winning.

If there's no one time transfer rule we don't have the quick turnaround.

 

[Bvolucanb]

Rodney Garner should be given all the incentive to retire here. He is one of best defensive line coaches in the game. You make him a staple of our coaching staff and our defensive line will “eat” for years.

 

[volbeast33]

I don’t believe that about JWT. Calling bull

Isn’t jallen pretty spot on

 

[SSVol]

You mean 8-0?

No. I mean 5-0 against the other SEC teams, several of which you are pretty impressed with.

Edit...actually 4-0...but mostly Bama, UF, and LSU.

Edit #2...no, make it 5-0 against ranked teams.

 

[jpope9]

DW broke the curse putting the VOLS letters back on Neyland.

 

[butchna]

They just traded roquan to the ravens.

For a SECOND and a FIFTH? I’ll get over it but I can’t argue Poles is getting top value in return on this one. The Ravens got their Ray Lewis.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I mean no offense to JWT, but that'd be an upgrade...of course you'd only have Tank for a season or two. Would have to assume Small is moving on if that happens though.

No, we neee an elite runningback. We have three good ones, but we need an elite one.

 

[Glitch]

“Drip in the Sip” is remarkably lame.

Kiffin advertising that you can get an STD at Ole Piss seems par for the course.

 

[SweetasSoda]

I'm sure CJH is on other teams' radars. It would be crazy for him not to be with the incredible success he's had at UT. But I have never heard anyone say, "Sure hope Josh doesn't bolt to the NFL." I know he's very happy at UT, his family loves Knoxville and they're not looking to leave. But good offers come to good people.

What those outside the university don't take into account is that UT HCs are a very tight, very loyal group. They genuinely like each other, and the interprogram support is at a level I haven't seen since Fulmer-Bruce-Pat. And now we can fold in a championship baseball program. So I think these marquee HCs-- who've seen what it's like at other schools-- know the value of the support they have at UT and appreciate it. UT leadership has made UT a special place with the support to grow legacy programs. So if they get an offer and UT gives them what they want, I think they would all stay.

Dreams really do come true!

 

[vol4eva]

UGA has only 10 sacks on the year and just lost their best one to injury. We’re about to kick UGAs a$$ and they don’t even know it.

 

[volbeast33]

Going back to recruiting, what would it take for Tennessee to get a top 5 recruiting classes? Any major 5 stars on the radar for 2023 that may flip because of our success?

Florida and Miami have higher ranked classes on rivals, I wonder if we can try to steal some of their recruits since both are having miserable seasons.

We don’t have room for many more commits and they aren’t looking to cut many of the ones we have….. I think we will end up very pleased with this class.

 

[MarcoVol]

Auburn hires MSU's AD to hire Ole Miss' coach- can't make this stuff up.

SEC schools love SEC retreads.

I’ll never understand this.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

I haven’t fact checked this but I heard it from the best ever CFB podcast host Josh Pate, so it’s gotta be true.

UT has more ranked wins then the entire ACC (excluding Clemson) combined.