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VolInDayton said:
I could see Heupel being similar to Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze. The good thing is Hugh Freeze at Ole Miss wasn't fully actualized because he's a scum bag.
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see, i didn't necessarily like that comparison because Ole miss literally came out of nowhere....to having #1 classes. the resources and trajectory level for Ole MIss vs. TN aren't really comparable, neither is the history or foundation the two programs were built on. in other words, while it's not a certainty, i don't think people would be "shocked" if TN became nationally relevant again on a year in, year out basis. whereas i don't think anyone could see Ole Miss becoming a yearly factor in the national title conversation. we have been there before, and we stayed there for the better part of 2 decades. problem is, that was 2 decades ago, too. :)
 
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Pridedad said:
This is actually a real thing now. I've talked/heard from several people that had similar situation.

Buyers come in and offer a really high bid. Slow play after the offer is signed then come back with a lower number with some excuse about financing and get the seller to take less. They figure that the seller won't be willing to back out cause they are so far in to it.
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That’s infuriating.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
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jakez4ut said:
see, i didn't necessarily like that comparison because Ole miss literally came out of nowhere....to having #1 classes. the resources and trajectory level for Ole MIss vs. TN aren't really comparable, neither is the history or foundation the two programs were built on. in other words, while it's not a certainty, i don't think people would be "shocked" if TN became nationally relevant again on a year in, year out basis. whereas i don't think anyone could see Ole Miss becoming a yearly factor in the national title conversation. we have been there before, and we stayed there for the better part of 2 decades. problem is, that was 2 decades ago, too. :)
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Well that's why if he's ceiling is being able to recruit that well and be able to get up to that NY6 level by year 3 or 4, Heupel could bust through that ceiling and make the CFP by year 6 or 7. I don't think it's a slight by saying we will have a great offense and recruit well. I think Heupel at UT is suitable where Ole Miss was a circus to pull that off
 
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VolInDayton said:
I could see Heupel being similar to Ole Miss under Hugh Freeze. The good thing is Hugh Freeze at Ole Miss wasn't fully actualized because he's a scum bag.
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Hugh Freeze had a championship level defense in 2014. I believe it was top 5 in the country in scoring and total defense. I’d be thrilled if we’d have one year with a defense of that caliber.
 
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SoilVol said:
This is why I stay off social media during games until the score starts spreading out either way. It's great for the mental health. If you haven't tried it, give it a shot. Just enjoy the ebb and flow of the game with those around you then come back here and give/read reviews.

Folks don't live tweet movies. Don't post on facebook about how terrible a movie is an how the movie is James Cameron's worst work ever after 5 minutes. You don't read the first chapter of a book then pretend to know how the book ends. You finish the movie or book then talk about your thoughts of the entire thing together. Sports are more enjoyable if you try to treat them the same way. Plus you can be more "involved" with whoever you're watching with.
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Idk.. I just ignore the negative or toxic posters and enjoy talking about what I’m seeing with other posters. Lots of strategy talk and X and Os that I love to engage with and learn about. It’s better to hear those things while watching so then I can watch and see if I recognize it. If posters can’t ignore the toxic people and get annoyed or triggered then that’s on them and they probably should avoid the game threads 🤷🏻‍♂️

I also feel this way about putting posters on ignore. I won’t hate on anyone that decides to use the ignore feature, they can do whatever they would like to for their VolNation experience, but for me I am perfectly fine with just scrolling past toxic or dumb posters.. doesn’t impact me. I will say though I won’t ever go into a FF gameday thread…THAT is toxic with no redeeming qualities. 😂

Just my two cents.

Edit: also, just in terms of social media, I agree. I stay off Twitter or anywhere else besides VN game thread until the end.
 
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VolInDayton said:
Well that's why if he's ceiling is being able to recruit that well and be able to get up to that NY6 level by year 3 or 4, Heupel could bust through that ceiling and make the CFP by year 6 or 7. I don't think it's a slight by saying we will have a great offense and recruit well. I think Heupel at UT is suitable where Ole Miss was a circus to pull that off
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i didn't take the conversation as a slight necessarily. i just thought that comparison to Hugh Freeze's Ole MIss was inaccurate or misplaced.

i just think that TN getting back and staying back would be more sustainable than Ole miss's chances of doing both. i think the best Ole Miss can hope for is to be the one hit wonder every now and then. i think TN can be a conf title and national title contender on a yearly basis. i've seen that happen before. so i wouldn't be shocked to see it again. i've never seen ole miss be a yearl in year out contender for anything other than the egg bowl.
 
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SoilVol said:
This is why I stay off social media during games until the score starts spreading out either way. It's great for the mental health. If you haven't tried it, give it a shot. Just enjoy the ebb and flow of the game with those around you then come back here and give/read reviews.

Folks don't live tweet movies. Don't post on facebook about how terrible a movie is an how the movie is James Cameron's worst work ever after 5 minutes. You don't read the first chapter of a book then pretend to know how the book ends. You finish the movie or book then talk about your thoughts of the entire thing together. Sports are more enjoyable if you try to treat them the same way. Plus you can be more "involved" with whoever you're watching with.
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jakez4ut said:
2 things.

1. we have a more "knowns" this year than last, not least of which is a qb that we all pretty much agree is a difference maker for us. 4/5 O linemen, leading WR, and the only real issue is the unproven talent at WR, and RB depth. TE should be solid. The defense needs to improve, but the good news is there really is no where to go but up seeing as they were so bad last year. so having a mediocre/average defense, in theory, is a lot better than what we did last season. overall depth is better on the defensive side, even if the quality of the depth isn't exactly where it needs to be. So the year 2 concern is offset b/c of those things, imo.
2. if we have injuries at ultra thin spots or at key positions, of course that changes outlooks, but unless they actually happen, why should your outlook be adjusted?
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I have a range not a final. This includes if there are injuries at key spots, refs, team has a bad day against a team they are much better than, etc. So it adjusts itself from the 7-10.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
I have a range not a final. This includes if there are injuries at key spots, refs, team has a bad day against a team they are much better than, etc. So it adjusts itself from the 7-10.
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that's fine. you're trying to account for the "if/then" type stuff. and i think most predictions probably do the same, which is why i think 8-4 is where so many have landed. it's hard to imagine everything going right, right? 10+ w's? it's also hard to imagine everything going wrong, 6 w's....so the middle is 8-4, and seems to be where the majority think we wind up.
 
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I’m seeing a few folks trying to get out ahead of unreasonable expectations for the season this year and that’s probably a good thing. If one was to follow the trend in Heupel’s head coaching career it would seem to suggest that his ceiling this year is 6 wins.

This will be Heupel’s 5th year as a head coach:
  • 2018 winning percentage = 92.3%
  • 2019 winning percentage = 76.9%
  • 2020 winning percentage = 60.0%
  • 2021 winning percentage = 53.8%
  • 2022 winning percentage = ??????
6 wins and another loss in a bowl game would give him a 2022 winning percentage of 46.2% for the season and would be consistent with his career trend. It is often said in the field of forecasting that the trend is your friend.

For the record, I’ve never been much of a trend follower. I’m a bit more of a contrarian. In the markets they tell you never to try to pick bottoms or tops. Well somebody’s doing it and I always figured if I did my homework I could do it too. It takes some work and you might not be exactly right every time but when you are it’s important not to get over confident. Turning points in the markets are based on support and resistance. There are multiple levels of support and resistance. I was a support and resistance trader. Now to figure which level of support or resistance to trade there’s a bit more to consider – which I will omit from this post.

Suffice it to say we have more returning production than anyone on our schedule, we have more talent than all but 4 teams on our schedule. We have as much if not more experience as anyone else on our schedule. I figure this is as good a support point as we’re going to get in the near term. I’m a buyer.

Now we have to consider the overhead resistance. In this case it can only be one of two things, more talent or better coaching. I think we win the 7 we won last year and get through Pittsburgh in our move up. That should get us to 8 wins and would have at least reversed the trend in the short term. Next up is our first resistance. That would be Florida and then LSU. We’ll need to watch this closely because if the resistance is too strong we’re not getting through. If the resistance is lite then we are roaring up to face maybe the stiffest resistance we will encounter, Alabama.

Regardless of how far this bounce from support takes us the trend should have been at least interrupted. In case my forecast is wrong I’d recommend a stop at 6 wins. If the trend breaks below 6 wins you don’t want to be anywhere near our fanbase. jmo.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
I’m seeing a few folks trying to get out ahead of unreasonable expectations for the season this year and that’s probably a good thing. If one was to follow the trend in Heupel’s head coaching career it would seem to suggest that his ceiling this year is 6 wins.

This will be Heupel’s 5th year as a head coach:
  • 2018 winning percentage = 92.3%
  • 2019 winning percentage = 76.9%
  • 2020 winning percentage = 60.0%
  • 2021 winning percentage = 53.8%
  • 2022 winning percentage = ??????
6 wins and another loss in a bowl game would give him a 2022 winning percentage of 46.2% for the season and would be consistent with his career trend. It is often said in the field of forecasting that the trend is your friend.

For the record, I’ve never been much of a trend follower. I’m a bit more of a contrarian. In the markets they tell you never to try to pick bottoms or tops. Well somebody’s doing it and I always figured if I did my homework I could do it too. It takes some work and you might not be exactly right every time but when you are it’s important not to get over confident. Turning points in the markets are based on support and resistance. There are multiple levels of support and resistance. I was a support and resistance trader. Now to figure which level of support or resistance to trade there’s a bit more to consider – which I will omit from this post.

Suffice it to say we have more returning production than anyone on our schedule, we have more talent than all but 4 teams on our schedule. We have as much if not more experience as anyone else on our schedule. I figure this is as good a support point as we’re going to get in the near term. I’m a buyer.

Now we have to consider the overhead resistance. In this case it can only be one of two things, more talent or better coaching. I think we win the 7 we won last year and get through Pittsburgh in our move up. That should get us to 8 wins and would have at least reversed the trend in the short term. Next up is our first resistance. That would be Florida and then LSU. We’ll need to watch this closely because if the resistance is too strong we’re not getting through. If the resistance is lite then we are roaring up to face maybe the stiffest resistance we will encounter, Alabama.

Regardless of how far this bounce from support takes us the trend should have been at least interrupted. In case my forecast is wrong I’d recommend a stop at 6 wins. If the trend breaks below 6 wins you don’t want to be anywhere near our fanbase. jmo.
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