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[MoCo_Vol]

Normally yeah. But read my post.
There saying he’s gonna be overrun with 4-5 star players. If that’s the case a 4 win improvement would be very much like what A&M did this year.

Who is saying that?

200 players contacting Colorado/Deion is all I've seen speculated.

 

[Jimmy Football]

So as of today on 247

Jimmy Holiday
Jimmy Calloway
Len'Neth Whitehead
Justin Williams-Thomas

All in the portal.

Jimmy Football officially on the fence. Got a call from Prime today.

Could be on the move; gonna need a big NIL deal from Frank to keep me here. We’ll see if he comes through…

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Question is with NIL now will they actually leave the player names on game worn jerseys?

Cause I bought one at a b-ball game and then got home only to realize they had removed the name. Was pretty annoyed I didn't realize it before buying it.

 

[MetVol]

#1

Had racing and pinball on the Commodore 64. Fun times. Can't believe that I could sit there and be engaged with that for hours.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Jimmy Football officially on the fence. Got a call from Prime today.

Could be on the move; gonna need a big NIL deal from Frank to keep me here. We’ll see if he comes through…

You're for sure baggage so I'm hoping Deion takes you ASAP.

 

[engineerVOL]

#1

- @InVOLuntary, probably

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Dang…. Telling the players to leave. LOL

I dunno if it’s necessarily that, but I do not like this approach. I think this is more of a “who is going to stick around, because they are the ones I want to stay” basically telling them they better be ready to work.

Again I still don’t like the approach.

 

[ACvol3]

Jimmy Football officially on the fence. Got a call from Prime today.

Could be on the move; gonna need a big NIL deal from Frank to keep me here. We’ll see if he comes through…

It was nice knowing ya. Good luck on your future endeavors

 

[BigSteve09]

Dang…. Telling the players to leave. LOL

I watched both of his team meetings with Jackson State and with Colorado in their entirety:





I don't think that the shortened clips/quotes from either of the meetings were as profound nor as damning as they came across on social media (as is often the case). His unrivaled confidence allows him to be honest, almost to the point of insulting.

I admit, I almost turned the Jackson State one off a few times. Deion is full of himself. I do think the coach/player dynamic that he has with his team is interesting, different than most. I'd have a hard time not feeling abandoned if I were the majority of those Jackson State players. To add insult to injury, he's going to handpick who he wants to go with him. So in a few weeks you'll be sitting there like looking around the locker room like "damn, I guess Deion and the cool kids bolted." Though, you can see from some of the kids talking in the Jackson State video that they do admire him and he's built a culture there.

In both of the videos, there are little off-comments made about Jackson, MS. Crime, clean air, water, resources. I don't blame Deion for bolting from a city/environment that is not his job to fix. He's there to be the coach, and there are so many bigger, nastier issues in the Jackson community that a head coach should not have to handle. I think that the players, members of the admin/school there, and other people from the Jackson community will have a lot to say about Deion over the next year or so. He'll return the favor.

I'll say this about Deion - he is who he is. He's consistent. He walked into that Colorado team meeting, to what is pretty much a dead program, and told them exactly how it's going to be, and showed them exactly who he is. He owes it to those players on the roster to show them what they're in for right away, and he did that. You can call it abrasive, rude, classless, whatever. You can't call it dishonest.

For better or for worse, I think he's going to do what he wants with the Colorado program and with the kids that he recruits there. It will be interesting to follow, certainly more entertaining than Colorado has been in decades. They'll be must-see at least.

I don't really have a strong opinion of Deion. He reminds me of other people I've met in life with massive egos - can be fun or interesting in spurts, can be off-putting after a while. He's not our coach so I don't really have to care or have a strong opinion. We'll see what he can do.

 

[jave36]

Normally yeah. But read my post.
There saying he’s gonna be overrun with 4-5 star players. If that’s the case a 4 win improvement would be very much like what A&M did this year.

Unless Colorado boosters start a massive nil fund, that's not going to happen.

 

[mrmax86]

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My grandparents had this and I always remember thinking WTF does this thing do? It was a game controller????

 

[InVOLuntary]

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- @InVOLuntary, probably

I saw a Facebook post that had a sign that said "We have a stairway to heaven but a highway to hell. It's obvious that there's more people going to hell."

It had a posted note on the sign that said "The infrastructure in hell will be better because that's where all the engineers are."

Shared that with my son.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Well, I don't know if you watched all of the various clips. But that was an editing work more than a Deion work.

He opened (8ish minutes) with "who I am" and then he says "now let's talk about you" and most the clips cut off there. So I'm not sure if it was all about Deion, the clip shared that went viral was though.

I watched the entire 8 minute clip. Put whatever pictures you want on the front and back covers. The meat of the book is what's important. He told the team that it was all about him. Hit the portal. He didn't care. Some unnamed portion of them had already lost their job to the luggage he's binging him with him. I assume part of that was saying that his son is also coming and is guaranteed a starting position?

It was literally repeating explicitly and in various ways: "It's all about me. Benefit me or get out. Some of you have no chance no matter what you do. The portal starts tomorrow."

If I was the AD, buzzers would be going off and I'd be updating my resume.

 

[zhangliao04]

If you click on the link, there’s a pdf price list on the left side of the screen. Not bad prices tbh

Thanks! I didn’t see this. I’m on mobile so I may have to search somewhere else for it, but it’s time to go digging.

 

[bignewt]

I watched both of his team meetings with Jackson State and with Colorado in their entirety:





I don't think that the shortened clips/quotes from either of the meetings were as profound nor as damning as they came across on social media (as is often the case). His unrivaled confidence allows him to be honest, almost to the point of insulting.

I admit, I almost turned the Jackson State one off a few times. Deion is full of himself. I do think the coach/player dynamic that he has with his team is interesting, different than most. I'd have a hard time not feeling abandoned if I were the majority of those Jackson State players. To add insult to injury, he's going to handpick who he wants to go with him. So in a few weeks you'll be sitting there like looking around the locker room like "damn, I guess Deion and the cool kids bolted." Though, you can see from some of the kids talking in the Jackson State video that they do admire him and he's built a culture there.

In both of the videos, there are little off-comments made about Jackson, MS. Crime, clean air, water, resources. I don't blame Deion for bolting from a city/environment that is not his job to fix. He's there to be the coach, and there are so many bigger, nastier issues in the Jackson community that a head coach should not have to handle. I think that the players, members of the admin/school there, and other people from the Jackson community will have a lot to say about Deion over the next year or so. He'll return the favor.

I'll say this about Deion - he is who he is. He's consistent. He walked into that Colorado team meeting, to what is pretty much a dead program, and told them exactly how it's going to be, and showed them exactly who he is. He owes it to those players on the roster to show them what they're in for right away, and he did that. You can call it abrasive, rude, classless, whatever. You can't call it dishonest.

For better or for worse, I think he's going to do what he wants with the Colorado program and with the kids that he recruits there. It will be interesting to follow, certainly more entertaining than Colorado has been in decades. They'll be must-see at least.

I don't really have a strong opinion of Deion. He reminds me of other people I've met in life with massive egos - can be fun or interesting in spurts, can be off-putting after a while. He's not our coach so I don't really have to care or have a strong opinion. We'll see what he can do.

You put more time into this than I will into his entire coaching career.
Congrats?

 

[MoCo_Vol]

The thing is sometimes you get stuck in the "what I did" mindset when you're a former elite player. Same thing that made you great may not be in the players you're coaching. Feel like it's one of those things where coaching college kids you can get away with it a bit, but eventually it's not going to work anymore. So Deion as a long term HC success, jury is still out. If he's actually investing in his players at a deeper level then maybe. But the general impression I've gotten is that he sees his players as pieces and not people.

I mean Lane's done fine with a similar mentality and Butch had some success before imploding. Colorado should be an easier hill to climb than USC/Ole Miss and TN though so he might do well there. I do think it's temporary and he'll be on the move again in 2-3 years if he turns it around quickly and gets some attention.

 

[BigSteve09]

I think this is a made up number to build buzz and/or the entire Jackson State team calling.

"Have you guys had any players reach out about coming there?" "Yeah, a couple hundred." [pretties language up for official tweet]

I don't doubt that it's more than most programs, but I don't think it's this high. Deion and his team creating buzz or some lazy/high person in admin just throwing a crazy number out because their phone or inbox have been busier than usual over the weekend.

 

[Orange Studs]

If it’s Brey Walker…. He is a Red shirt senior that is a 3rd string guard….. don’t think we have any use for him.

Yeah just read that in the portal thread. Was hoping it was a good one cause I know we need at least one OT. Move on to the next one.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

The thing is sometimes you get stuck in the "what I did" mindset when you're a former elite player. Same thing that made you great may not be in the players you're coaching. Feel like it's one of those things where coaching college kids you can get away with it a bit, but eventually it's not going to work anymore. So Deion as a long term HC success, jury is still out. If he's actually investing in his players at a deeper level then maybe. But the general impression I've gotten is that he sees his players as pieces and not people.

I mean Lane's done fine with a similar mentality and Butch had some success before imploding. Colorado should be easier hills to climb than USC/Ole Miss and TN though so he might do well there. I do think it's temporary and he'll be on the move again in 2-3 years if he turns it around quickly and gets some attention.

I agree.


If he’s successful at all he’s not staying there long.

 

[BigSteve09]

Deion turning Colorado into SMU, just take 20+ in the portal every year.

I’m not even sure what his team’s offense or defense looks like, haven’t watched any games. But not sure his success at Jackson State will translate to Colorado I like it though. Give USC, UCLA, Utah & Oregon someone else to deal with.

After seeing what Penix, DTR, Nix, and Williams have done to defenses out there, I think his son at QB will keep them competitive at least. He'll get some athletes there too at skill positions.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I watched the entire 8 minute clip. Put whatever pictures you want on the front and back covers. The meat of the book is what's important. He told the team that it was all about him. Hit the portal. He didn't care. Some unnamed portion of them had already lost their job to the luggage he's binging him with him. I assume part of that was saying that his son is also coming and is guaranteed a starting position?

It was literally repeating explicitly and in various ways: "It's all about me. Benefit me or get out. Some of you have no chance no matter what you do. The portal starts tomorrow."

If I was the AD, buzzers would be going off and I'd be updating my resume.

1-11
127th in scoring offense at 15.4 ppg
131st in scoring defense at 44.5 ppg

Deion would probably flush the entire 85 if he could and honestly a team that bad has more than poor coaching issues in place.

 

[#JuanVol]

I just noticed that there not a single bowl game on New Year’s Day…. I get that the nfl owns Sunday but not a single game? Has that ever happened?

 

[Jimmy Football]

It was nice knowing ya. Good luck on your future endeavors

Thank you for respecting my decision.

No interviews.

 

[BigSteve09]

Deion may actually be the right kind of HC for this era of portal hopping & NIL. He treats it like a business, like the NFL and unlike Gump he’s got the receipts to say “I’ve done it.”

He’ll be able to get them to 8-10 wins a year, good players and motivated talent in the PAC-12 will have no trouble winning that many. But the Xs & Os, play calling, culture, & staff around you is what separates those good teams winning 8 to 10 games from the elite teams that win 12 and make the CFP.

It’s a smart move for his career, a P5 conference and a location without absurd expectations. But still a team that if he wins there he can make the playoffs.

I agree, but I do feel like there is a ticking clock to see if he can put one or a few DBs into the 1st round. Kind of like when a "QB Whisperer" can't produce a great QB. Deion is doing a lot of show, but there does need to be some proof at some point.

 

[BigSteve09]

Nah..Storm Troopers are perfect..imo.

I ain't gonna belittle anybody feeling differently though...that's just the way I feel.

we have to roll with the all whites in Miami