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apevol said:
never had a chance at having a prime. Went backwards in mental maturity and getting jacked in prison =/= boxing shape. He was never the same and its sad. I think Holyfield just had his number and would've beaten him regardless, but the only other fight he loses if he kept training and staying in shape is against Lennox, and I think it would've been an even fight
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Tyson was still very much a kid. Cus was his father figure and kept him grounded. Losing Cus set him on the wrong path. He split with Kevin Rooney and Don King had his claws firmly in Tyson after that. When he was focused on boxing, Tyson was a true beast. But he lost that focus. I blame Don King more than anyone, but that shrew he married was pretty bad, too.
 
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The only cereal I truly seem to like anymore is Raisin Bran.

Well, maybe Fruit Loops, too, but not with milk.
 
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Weezer said:
Tyson was still very much a kid. Cus was his father figure and kept him grounded. Losing Cus set him on the wrong path. He split with Kevin Rooney and Don King had his claws firmly in Tyson after that. When he was focused on boxing, Tyson was a true beast. But he lost that focus. I blame Don King more than anyone, but that shrew he married was pretty bad, too.
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Im not so high on Cus. I think he had a strange fixation on young troubled kids and also think he saw dollar signs as much as he saw an opportunity to help troubled kids.

I don't think he gave Mike the tools he needed to become a man, I think he gave Mike the tools he needed to become a ferocious fighter in the ring and just kept his thumb on him, kept him watching tape, obssessed with sparring and getting better at boxing. At some point, any young man who climbs to the top is bound to take a breath, take a look around and see what else is out there. As insulated and immature as Mike was at the time, Don steps in.

Cus did pretty much the same thing with Floyd Patterson as he did with Mike, taking him in and raising him to be heavyweight champ. He also played some sketchy backroom politics to shield Patterson from any kind of risky adversity until Rocky was out of the way and the heavyweight division was empty and wide open for him to step in for the title. Eventually Patterson realized Cus was making him look like a chump and got rid of him. Short term it hurt his career but long term cemented his legacy as one of the greats, rather than just a paper champion
 
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BigSteve09 said:




😂😂😂

Paying 7 year olds is getting out of hand.
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That article makes my skin crawl. Parents talking about their grade school children as if they were nothing more than talent to be managed. It's everything wrong with so-called 'stage parents.' The things that guys like Joe Jackson and Britney Spear's Dad were rightly criticized for multiplied across countless families. It will magnify the problems already present in very corrupt youth sports to say the least.

What's worse is that it will get to the point where kids take responsibility for family income. And even in the most innocent circumstances - say one where a parent or sibling is ill and the child wants nothing more than to get them the things they need to survive or live in less pain - that is too much weight to put on the shoulders of a child and children will figure that out. Even if you never say a word to them, a kid as young as 7 will figure out that mom or dad needs money to help x family member or to make the rent or buy food and they will internalize that and try to make it happen. It's hard enough for adults to cope with adult worries and the fallout of coming up short but imagine a kid feeling this responsibility and coming up a few baskets short of a NIL bonus needed to fund their little sister's care.
 
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apevol said:
Im not so high on Cus. I think he had a strange fixation on young troubled kids and also think he saw dollar signs as much as he saw an opportunity to help troubled kids.

I don't think he gave Mike the tools he needed to become a man, I think he gave Mike the tools he needed to become a ferocious fighter in the ring and just kept his thumb on him, kept him watching tape, obssessed with sparring and getting better at boxing. At some point, any young man who climbs to the top is bound to take a breath, take a look around and see what else is out there. As insulated and immature as Mike was at the time, Don steps in.

Cus did pretty much the same thing with Floyd Patterson as he did with Mike, taking him in and raising him to be heavyweight champ. He also played some sketchy backroom politics to shield Patterson from any kind of risky adversity until Rocky was out of the way and the heavyweight division was empty and wide open for him to step in for the title. Eventually Patterson realized Cus was making him look like a chump and got rid of him. Short term it hurt his career but long term cemented his legacy as one of the greats, rather than just a paper champion
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Maybe Cus just didn't know how to be a true father? What he did know was boxing, and he taught Tyson to be pretty damn good at that for a time. Tyson was insulated and immature. No arguing that. But Don King did him no favors by letting him run wild.

I didn't know Cus personally, so I won't comment on his motivations, but Tyson wouldn't have made it as far as he did without him. And his downfall seemed to start after he lost him.
 
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BucVol98 said:
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Pure stupidity that he didn't just go to WORK on Ali's body right here, Tyson would have broken 2 ribs in this sequence
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Ali made you want to punch him in the face. That's how he won. Imagine that little hip shake aimed at you after the man has been running his mouth for months and you have him literally on the ropes and NOT wanting to punch him in the face. His physicality was overrated while his psych game was underrated. He controlled the fight by controlling his opponent's emotions. For all his physical talent it was the weeks and months leading up to a fight that Ali beat people.
 
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Weezer said:
Maybe Cus just didn't know how to be a true father? What he did know was boxing, and he taught Tyson to be pretty damn good at that for a time. Tyson was insulated and immature. No arguing that. But Don King did him no favors by letting him run wild.

I didn't know Cus personally, so I won't comment on his motivations, but Tyson wouldn't have made it as far as he did without him. And his downfall seemed to start after he lost him.
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I agree he made Tyson what he was. Cus's style was perfect for Mike and Mike was perfect for it. Cus struck lightning twice with Patterson and Tyson and the second bolt was bigger than the first.
 
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