Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[bignewt]

I'm against adding a huge money suck program like gymnastics. It takes money away from the marquis programs and would end up raiding our NIL. People who attack Spyre and then turn around and want to take even more money from the programs they themselves don't even support (and even publicly attack) don't appear to me to have our brand's interest at heart.

gymnastics >>>>>>>>> girls basketball

 

[Volnerd]

Who the hell WOULD constitute a splash hire for a TE coach? I don't think one exists. TE Coaches are virtually unknown to everyone but the very geekiest of fans.

Jason Witten

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I'm against adding a huge money suck program like gymnastics. It takes money away from the marquis programs and would end up raiding our NIL. People who attack Spyre and then turn around and want to take even more money from the programs they themselves don't even support (and even publicly attack) don't appear to me to have our brand's interest at heart.

Ummmmmmmmm, very few if any of the athletes for these sports get any money. He'll their college scholarship is 1/10 of what a football player is. Don't you worry these overpaid high schoolers will still get their undeserved millions.
People claim NIL is good because of the life changing money, but what about the additional opportunities more athletes will get with the addition of other sports?

 

[luthervol]

Of course they want both, We are talking about which they want MORE

I think everyone recognizes that the first is the foundation for the second.

Could a team get lucky and win it all as an 8 seed? Sure.
But that's also a team that played in front of a lot of half filled home crowds and never hosted Game Day.

 

[bignewt]

Better Call Saul or Breaking Bad?

I enjoyed Better Call Saul more but that was because I saw Breaking Bad...

 

[Orange.]

gymnastics >>>>>>>>> girls basketball

I didn't say it wasn't. You are saying you want to end the LV and apply the money to women's gymnastics? Then say it, bold guy. What you did say doesn't mean anything.

 

[RudyVol]

still can't believe our basketball team can perform like it has so far this season, and then will just show up randomly and can't hit the broad side of a barn the entire game... that 27.9% shooting is just baffling at this point in the season.

We still don't have a go-to scorer and our bigs are not good. KC got close to the go-to scorer role towards the end of last year, but that wasn't enough to overcome the same big men still stinking it up.

 

[BigSteve09]

 

[JCVol00]

Honest question, I am curious what you know about his recruiting ability? Does he not have the personality for it? He doesn't put enough time into it?

Obvious he probably brings very limited previous contacts with him to the table. But our offensive system and other coaches get his foot in the door. Wonder what area he will be given to recruit?

He hasn’t been on the road recruiting, especially recently

 

[screenthis]

We still don't have a go-to scorer and our bigs are not good. KC got close to the go-to scorer role towards the end of last year, but that wasn't enough to overcome the same big men still stinking it up.

Overall, I'm happy with Olivier's performance. He is quite good. Aidoo is improving and Plav has had good games but needs more consistency. Agreed on a 'game in and game out' scorer being a big need. Vescovi has had more consistency this year but we don't have 'that guy' that just pushes when nobody is hitting shots. That could be Phillips with more experience.

 

[SoilVol]

I know you're being sarcastic, but this team on paper really shouldn't be this good. They're overachieving for sure. Now, you can say Barnes should recruit better and that's fair, but he's definitely getting more out of them than I expected this year.

Yeah, I didn't anticipate this squad performing where they're at tbh. I expected a top 4 finish in SEC and a 3-5 seed in March.

I think one reason the team is performing at this rate is because they KNOW they have shortcomings so they work extra hard to overcome those and force other teams to play to our strengths. We don't have a guy like Kennedy Chandler (yet, unless Phillips becomes a scoring machine soon) who can create for himself and take over a game. Zakai can, but he can't go up at a crowded rim so that limits him. So this team has focused on being the best defensively they can be. And it's worked. If we're on, nobody has a chance. If we're off, we at least probably have a chance to keep it low scoring and work back into it - which we've done several times actually.

This team doesn't seem to lose its cool when they're down. They keep playing their style, slow the game down, limit mistakes, and work back into it.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Maybe competent coaches are tired of putting up with Sabans BS.

 

[bignewt]

I didn't say it was or wasn't. You are saying you want to end the LV and apply the money to women's gymnastics? Then say it, bold guy. What you did say doesn't mean anything.

Yes, I do. Said it.

 

[Weezer]

He'll navigate around it-- I just don't think a change is imminent. I hope it doesn't get any uglier-- that's not good for anybody and makes it harder to recruit out of it.

If a change isn't made, I don't think we can avoid it getting uglier. I think next year may be pretty nasty. But we'll see. I just don't think KJH is the right person.

 

[bignewt]

I think everyone recognizes that the first is the foundation for the second.

Could a team get lucky and win it all as an 8 seed? Sure.
But that's also a team that played in front of a lot of half filled home crowds and never hosted Game Day.

So you think North Carolina played to half empty arenas last year?

 

[SoilVol]

Senior Bowl Day 2 Standouts:
The Darnell Wright Show
Darnell Wright did a great job emulating Sewell in Wednesday’s practice. The power, the movement ability, the sheer aggression in attacking the defensive players–even in pass protection. Primarily playing right tackle, Wright absolutely dominated the 1-on-1 reps in the American team practice.
At 6-foot-5 and 342 pounds, Wright is a behemoth of a man. But he’s also, like Sewell, light on his feet and capable of making reach blocks and pulls. Generally projected as a second-round pick coming here, after what we’ve seen in Mobile you’re going to see a ton of Wright’s inclusion into the late first round of post-Senior Bowl mock drafts. And he’s earned it so far.

My source was spot on. Really lining up for the Broncos to take Wright in the 1st.

 

[SoilVol]

I'm against adding a huge money suck program like gymnastics. It takes money away from the marquis programs and would end up raiding our NIL. People who attack Spyre and then turn around and want to take even more money from the programs they themselves don't even support (and even publicly attack) don't appear to me to have our brand's interest at heart.

Out of curiosity, who are you referring to? I haven't seen anyone attack Spyre then advocate for something like adding gymnastics.

 

[TheRain]

Playing Heupel every year is a good time to let your offense deteriorate.

 

[Govolsman98]

Were beating bama again next season

 

[jakez4ut]

I enjoyed Better Call Saul more but that was because I saw Breaking Bad...

Agreed

 

[SoilVol]

Most of it's cost-driven. WBB used to be a revenue sport-- now it's not and hasn't been for some time. It's a vicious circle. Attendance is down, so UT raises ticket prices to compensate, which drives attendance down further and widens the loss. UT is one of the few SEC schools with no gymnastics program-- a very popular, high-profile women's sport that can draw big crowds but loses big money. Right now, UT is focused on growing what it has.

Never really understood the gymnastics economics. Those competitions draw massive crowds yet they lose money. Just the cost of inputs for that sport?

I'm looking into a little bit now, and several top programs are at least on the verge of neutrality. I wasn't specifically advocating for gymnastics. In fact I didn't even think about it. But we are definitely one of handful of SEC schools without it, and the ones with it are famous for it. The sport is also booming right now. Twice as many high level gymnasts today as there were 10 yrs ago, and it's got a cult following that would generate the bulk of income and NIL money imo. Interesting consideration but a huge investment.

 

[Orange.]

Out of curiosity, who are you referring to? I haven't seen anyone attack Spyre then advocate for something like adding gymnastics.

I apologize for responding to an admitted troll who just did what you specify. My response was a waste of my own and the board's time. I will delete my post.

I only saw his post because I unblocked him last night to see who Freak himself was calling a troll in the basketball forum, and also in order to follow the string of his posts leading to Freak's observation. Forgot to re-ignore. Thanks for reminding me.

I won't see anyone do that anymore either

 

[SoilVol]

I'm against adding a huge money suck program like gymnastics. It takes money away from the marquis programs and would end up raiding our NIL. People who attack Spyre and then turn around and want to take even more money from the programs they themselves don't even support (and even publicly attack) don't appear to me to have our brand's interest at heart.

According to what? According to an October report, football makes up 50% of NIL money nationwide. Men's basketball 19% women's basketball 12.6%. Baseball is behind volleyball and softball.

Then on down the list is women's gymnastics at 1.4% of all NIL dollars - which is probably concentrated in a handful of the best Olympic athletes. And the gymnastics NIL dollars probably don't compete with other sports, because they're probably sport-specific money. People that are giving directly to that sport or athlete and wouldn't give money otherwise. So, I don't believe this claim that adding less popular sports would just siphon money and success away from the popular sports.

 

[jakez4ut]

It is why he fails. Every year his teams have a fatal flaw that end up killing them when it matters. Size, athleticism, no post, can't shoot the 3 etc.
At the end of the day the goal of athletics is to win championships, you do that in basketball in March.
Take Barnes records here and equate that to football, there would be legions wanting Heupel gone.

A better comparison might be Jim Harbaugh at Michigan, would TN fans be happy with him in football at the moment? Because that's basically Barnes.

Winning b2b conf tithe games and going to the playoffs?

This is a terrible take. By your logic... We failed in football too.

Basketball is as good and as healthy as it may have ever been at Tennessee right now. Complaining about Barnes and this program right now is the epitomy of just being spoiled and feeling entitled to... More.

I say... Enjoy it. I've seen "suck", and this ain't it.
GBO.

 

[Weezer]

According to what? According to an October report, football makes up 50% of NIL money nationwide. Men's basketball 19% women's basketball 12.6%. Baseball is behind volleyball and softball.

Then on down the list is women's gymnastics at 1.4% of all NIL dollars - which is probably concentrated in a handful of the best Olympic athletes. And the gymnastics NIL dollars probably don't compete with other sports, because they're probably sport-specific money. People that are giving directly to that sport or athlete and wouldn't give money otherwise. So, I don't believe this claim that adding less popular sports would just siphon money and success away from the popular sports.

Most Olympic gymnasts don't compete at the collegiate level until after their time at the national level.