Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

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Glitch said:
I volunteer.

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Is this the Briere kid again?
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I just look at it like this in regards to NIL...

85 kids on scholarship, and what would we say one of those cost a year...30-50k with everything included (tuition/room/books/etc.) again just PER YEAR here...and that's just a rough average.

So take the high end 50k per year per scholarship...that's $4,250,000. Josh Heupel is now set to make almost 9 million a year.

In short I see no issue in the majority workers (student athletes) making more than the cost of school to generate the sort of revenue they do for their schools. Especially when you consider The UT Knoxville football program paid out $38,115,086 in expenses while making $91,615,408 in total revenue. This means the program turned a profit, making $53,500,322 for the school.

That's -just- the football program that turned out over 50 million in profit. And they sure as hell haven't dropped ticket prices or tuition costs.
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I am not getting involved in the NIL discussion, but you are way low on the costs of an athletic scholarship per year. Regardless of what a player gets put in his pocket, a student-athlete gets the following:
- room and board
- tuition
- books
- meals
- apparel
- academic support (AD pays tutors)
- use of a state of the art training facility
- use of a player's lounge with entertainment
- use of a professional trainer
- use of a nutritionist and nutrition bar
- medical costs (of course this should be required but the professionals still get paid to be on staff) and doctor's visits
- don't know if school has to contribute toward certain player's insurance policy
- UT was also paying a cost of attendance stipend

If you broke all of this down to what lay people would have to pay for these, I have no doubt that it probably approaches $150k-$200k per student athlete. Again, I am not advocating for one side or the other as I agree that they make big money for the university. I am also a member of the Volunteer Club, so I support their efforts.

Additionally, the football program is probably the only one turning out a profit. I am guessing men's basketball does as well, but much of that money also covers the above expenses for non-revenue generating sports.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Peyton couldn't get them going because they wouldn't turn him loose to throw the ball until it was 3rd and 8-9...every freakin possession...it was the most frustrating game I have ever seen...the pure aggravation in my heart at Phil over his stubbornness to the point of gross negligence has never been erased since that day...he would not let them play.

Nobody remembers this...but Tiger High had one great thing...a SEC quality DL..so Phil decides the best gameplan to win that game is to run it between the OTs...almost every 1st and 2nd down...the whole game.

I still hate him for that...just like I hate Jermy for that "Gameplan...we don't need no stinking gameplans!" abomination against GSU.
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Dude was still down on the KO return.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I am not getting involved in the NIL discussion, but you are way low on the costs of an athletic scholarship per year. Regardless of what a player gets put in his pocket, a student-athlete gets the following:
- room and board
- tuition
- books
- meals
- apparel
- academic support (AD pays tutors)
- use of a state of the art training facility
- use of a player's lounge with entertainment
- use of a professional trainer
- use of a nutritionist and nutrition bar
- medical costs (of course this should be required but the professionals still get paid to be on staff) and doctor's visits
- don't know if school has to contribute toward certain player's insurance policy
- UT was also paying a cost of attendance stipend

If you broke all of this down to what lay people would have to pay for these, I have no doubt that it probably approaches $150k-$200k per student athlete. Again, I am not advocating for one side or the other as I agree that they make big money for the university. I am also a member of the Volunteer Club, so I support their efforts.

Additionally, the football program is probably the only one turning out a profit. I am guessing men's basketball does as well, but much of that money also covers the above expenses for non-revenue generating sports.
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I'm not disagreeing with you, but I am only sharing numbers I can find and back-up. Now if you have something from the university that's available that can support the additional 100k-150k you're adding on per student athlete then by all means share it. Still even at 200k per 85 that's only 17 million a year, and they turned a profit of 53 million...(and by they I mean ONLY the football program, I'm sure the basketball programs and likely baseball are also going to turn a profit themselves).
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Try that logic with everything else in life.

It's so weird that everywhere else in life, you mock socialists, and then turn into a complete socialist when it comes to your favorite pastime.

You want to watch true amateur sports? Go out and watch intramural. But you don't. You know why? Because it's a **** product that you won't go see in person, and couldn't watch on TV due to it being too ****y a product to get television rights.

What the above argument actually is, is "I want be able to conveniently watch this super high quality product where vastly talented youths make everyone else rich, but I don't want them paid market value for their work because... things."
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I'd make a different argument. And, I consider myself neither a 'pure Socialist' or 'pure Capitalist'. My take is purely from a standpoint of what I find more interesting. As College Sports begins to look more and more like Professional Sports, my interest wanes. As more and more players move around from one team to another and you don't have many of the same players year to year, it's less interesting IMO. When did I like College Football the most? When conferences didn't become 'Super Conferences' and College Sports was more about playing for your favored school than going to the school offering the most money. Of course, there were under the table deals all along. But I believe at a completely different level.

Long story short, my argument isn't about which system is better (Socialism or Capitalism). Mine is about which format is of most interest to me as a fan.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I'm not disagreeing with you, but I am only sharing numbers I can find and back-up. Now if you have something from the university that's available that can support the additional 100k-150k you're adding on per student athlete then by all means share it. Still even at 200k per 85 that's only 17 million a year, and they turned a profit of 53 million...(and by they I mean ONLY the football program, I'm sure the basketball programs and likely baseball are also going to turn a profit themselves).
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I am not sure you will ever find a number because it has to be calculated per student athlete. The AD may generally know the number but probably doesn't make it public. Logic says that the medical costs across the AD are in the millions of dollars as the AD contracts with a local orthopedic group.

The women's basketball program has not turned a profit in some time. I think it barely breaks even. I don't know about baseball because of the partial scholarships, but I am pretty sure only a couple of SEC baseball programs had been making money, and we weren't one of them. Then, you have the costs of every other student athlete that doesn't play those sports. Of course, not all of them are on full rides.
 
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Nuctech777 said:
It takes nothing away from the university for the athletes to make money on their name, image, and likeness.
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To an extent, I agree. The system in the past where college athletes had to struggle while others made millions was ridiculous. I just don't want the pendulum to swing way in the other direction.
 
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screenthis said:
I'd make a different argument. And, I consider myself neither a 'pure Socialist' or 'pure Capitalist'. My take is purely from a standpoint of what I find more interesting. As College Sports begins to look more and more like Professional Sports, my interest wanes. As more and more players move around from one team to another and you don't have many of the same players year to year, it's less interesting IMO. When did I like College Football the most? When conferences didn't become 'Super Conferences' and College Sports was more about playing for your favored school than going to the school offering the most money. Of course, there were under the table deals all along. But I believe at a completely different level.

Long story short, my argument isn't about which system is better (Socialism or Capitalism). Mine is about which format is of most interest to me as a fan.
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That wasn't a different argument than Ulysses'.

It's dangerous to simply reduce an argument down to "what do I prefer", as opposed to "what is the right thing". (I don't like what NIL is producing in the NCAA either. But I have to advocate for what I think is right and just. If a product can't support itself by doing what's right, does it really need to exist?)

Go back a couple of hundred years to when landowners were making better profits off of owning slaves. They could make the "I just don't want to see this system overtaken by pure money grabbing from those slaves", and "My take is purely from the standpoint of what I find more interesting". It was still a system built on artificially suppressing people's right to profit off of their own work (name, image, likeness, whatever...).

Corporate fast-food joints could claim that they have less interest in a system where the market defines the cost of their burgers, and work together to jointly price-gouge.

None of your points do away with the fact that any of us could watch true amateur college sports as this NCAA BS goes mercenary. We could all go watch intramural sports. But we don't. Because it's crap. Instead, some want to artificially cap what students can earn, in an effort to retain the quality product they've come to expect, as well as the "amateur" ideal that stinks to high heaven once we admit it's a multi-billion-dollar business.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
Should've asked "wood bee" instead of bumblebee. A lot of people call humble bees "carpenter bees" though.
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They definitely get mixed up, because they’re both fat, fuzzy, and sort of black-yellow in appearance. But carpenter bees’ back segments are smooth, whereas bumblebees are fuzzy on most of their bodies.
 
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