Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[BigOrange15]

CRB took them as far as the talent and his ability would let them go. Good season. Exasperating at times, but SS is the program's cap currently.

Danny will ride with CRB until he retires as long as they make the tourney. Same with CKH.

G play and shooting. It's that simple. Which is recruiting and NIL. It's that simple also. Overly intense focus on D reduces the skillset and creativity on O. It's that simple as well.

The later point was proven to be true even under Pat Summitt. Coach K and Izzo learned it and adapted to it. Bobby Knight is an example of a coach who never did, yet his team manager who beat us last night did. If you care about recruiting guys to take you to the higher level, our Vol HC needs to understand it as well.

Clear the dead wood and start over. You have some good pieces to retain to build with and win games.

CRB's best recruit would be a strong offensive assistant coach who can recruit as has already been pointed out by Jackrevol.

Let's focus on Heupball and football time in TN.

We have an entire ass baseball season first, bro lol

 

[RikidyBones]

 

[volbeast33]

we won't find a better one. so, modify.

Better one is in the eye of the beholder….. our fanbase wanted Matt Campbell but we got Josh Heupel….. The fanbase was not happy but it turns out DW knew what he was doing to the whole time…

 

[Jimmy Football]

Better one is in the eye of the beholder….. our fanbase wanted Matt Campbell but we got Josh Heupel….. The fanbase was not happy but it turns out DW knew what he was doing to the whole time…

Indeed! I’m sure he’ll ignore the fanbase with regards to Barnes, as well.

 

[volbeast33]

Indeed! I’m sure he’ll ignore the fanbase with regards to Barnes, as well.

I haven’t actually seen anyone wanting him fired… one person mentioned looking forward to him retiring but that’s been it… He deserves every bit of criticism that he is getting for blowing it against this FAU team.

 

[volbeast33]

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Year 1: 75.1 ppg, 75.2 pa
Year 2: 74.5 ppg, 73.0 pa
Year 3: 73.8 ppg, 65.7 pa
Year 4: 82.0 ppg, 69.7 pa (31-6 Grant's last year)
Year 5: 67.1 ppg, 64.2 pa
Year 6: 71.9 ppg, 63.5 pa
Year 7: 73.5 ppg, 62.9 pa (27-8 KC year & SECT Champs)
Year 8: 70.8 ppg, 57.9 pa

So really there's only been 2 seasons where the offense wasn't scoring 73 or more a game, and it's more about personnel than coaching IMO. Year 5 was Bowden, Fulky, Pons, Turner returning talent and then ON, Uros, Santi, JJJ, Pember, Gaines were all in year 1 and then Turner's season ended after 11 games. Following season was the "back to basketball" year that was shortened because of COVID and Springer/Keon didn't get much off-season practice etc.

And then this year, Phillips and Key not being more consistent scoring threats was really the reason.

Next year I'm hoping DJ Jefferson, Freddie, Carr, JP, Cade are able to contribute more.

Awaka, BJ, Phillips (if they all return) will be in year 2 and more prepared for grinding through a full season.

Mashack, ZZ, Aidoo will all be in year 3 and that's been the year when Barnes' development seems to pay off. ZZ obviously might be behind a bit and we see his big year in year 4 because of the injury. But Aidoo and Mashack got lots of minutes this year so hopefully they each take the next step.

We'll have 2 scholarships available if all the seniors leave and no one portals out. I think the priority will be on a quick guard who can ball handle, doesn't have to be a true PG but someone with more capability to drive than Santi/Key have. Something BJ may also be focusing on becoming. The other spot I think they want a good/great big (Graham Ike from Wyoming for example) that isn't looking to shoot 3s and wants to get his inside the paint.

 

[volbeast33]

2 coach approach…. I like it.

 

[volbeast33]

Love Charles!!

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Ok no more basketball...now what? You ask yourself.

Well wonder no more. We need one more team for fantasy baseball, be the manager and show that schmuck Vitello how its done!

Fantasy Baseball Join - ESPN

I'm in!

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I get that. I'm just saying to those that are pushing the fire Barnes narrative that the list of better coaches isn't extensive..... And very few of those guys are looking to move at any given time.

Money talks. It happens all the time. You don’t hear about a coach wanting to leave until a team lays the money down and hooks them. Let’s take FAUs coach Dusty May. You think FAU could bid us if we really wanted him? No way. Throw &6 million a year at May and I bet he comes in a heartbeat.

This whole narrative that we can’t do better than Barnes is absolutely insane.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Better one is in the eye of the beholder….. our fanbase wanted Matt Campbell but we got Josh Heupel….. The fanbase was not happy but it turns out DW knew what he was doing to the whole time…

Remains to be seen on MC, but absolutely hit a home run with JH. Wouldnt have it any other way

 

[volinbama256]

this tourney sums up our team this season and our coaching staff... play messy/bad/inconsistent, but do just enough to squeak by an inferior opponent, then go out and blast an opponent you aren't supposed to beat, playing great, and then decide you don't know how to make a basket the entire game against another inferior opponent, get frustrated, melt down, lose.... rinse, repeat.

Last night was a pathetic display of our talent. We shot the ball like it was our first game of the season and no player or coach "woke up" and rallied the team back into place to get the win over a lesser team. This is what TN basketball is under Barnes. I hope everyone tried to enjoy some of this season because we are simply not going to be good next season.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Also I will say Rick Barnes entertaining the UCLA job as much as he did ultimately soured him for a lot of fans here.

I don't care personally, but I get why fans didn't appreciate that.

 

[Jimmy Football]

I haven’t actually seen anyone wanting him fired… one person mentioned looking forward to him retiring but that’s been it… He deserves every bit of criticism that he is getting for blowing it against this FAU team.

It’s out there. And even in here, I don’t see a a lot of difference between “he should be fired” and “I hope he retires.”

I doesn’t matter though. He’ll retire in the next 3-5 years, and he will almost certainly be here when he does. There’s no movement in the AD to get rid of him.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

He was t that highly recruited. He needs development. Missing on Tyrese Hunter hurt the worst.

An argument could be made Barnes and his staff are horrible developers of talent.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Love Charles!!

ding ding ding!!!

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I haven’t actually seen anyone wanting him fired… one person mentioned looking forward to him retiring but that’s been it… He deserves every bit of criticism that he is getting for blowing it against this FAU team.

Rick Barnes either needs to retire or be fired. Whichever one happens I am fine with.

 

[jave36]

Love Charles!!

Of all the amazing Chuck lines over the years, that my be my favorite. They're all crooks, and if you look to them to save you, they'll just take your money/vote and run. Both sides.

 

[volinbama256]

It doesn't help that the refs did really call everything on us and I believe I counted 5 blatant travels by FAU during the game. Crazy thing is, if we would have just made our easy shots and rebound second shots, we'd have still won. SMH

 

[jave36]

FAU was a 3 loss team but because they play in a weaker conference everyone just assumed we'd roll them. They are the only team in the Sweet 16 with a top 50 offense and defense. Our fanbase is just so dismissive of opponents it's crazy at times.

Then you take into account the fact us without ZZ = bad matchup against them and it was just not a good spot to be in. I think had we played the 2nd half with the same focus we did the first half (especially the first 12 minutes) then we should have beaten them, but we've faded in nearly every 2nd half since losing ZZ, Ole Miss was the only time it didn't happen. No "closers" left once he went down I guess.

I just don't get it Houston enters as a 1 seed with their 3 losses, 100th ranked offense, 2nd ranked defense and a 92nd SOS they beat Virginia in the regular season all 3 losses were at home.

FAU enters as a 9 seed with their 3 losses, 37th ranked offense, 41st ranked defense and a 120th SOS they beat Florida in the regular season (ended up not being a quality win though) and all 3 losses were on the road.

If FAU was a "name" they would have been the overall 1 seed with those numbers exactly as they are.

They are a great team, had we treated them like Duke or Alabama or Texas or Kansas we could have won though, but we didn't and we lost.

As Pat said, offense sells tickets, defense wins ballgames, rebounds win championships. We had no effort in rebounding, it was really sad to watch. Anytime a shot went up they were frantically trying to get it, we weren't interested.

 

[volbeast33]

Year 1: 75.1 ppg, 75.2 pa
Year 2: 74.5 ppg, 73.0 pa
Year 3: 73.8 ppg, 65.7 pa
Year 4: 82.0 ppg, 69.7 pa (31-6 Grant's last year)
Year 5: 67.1 ppg, 64.2 pa
Year 6: 71.9 ppg, 63.5 pa
Year 7: 73.5 ppg, 62.9 pa (27-8 KC year & SECT Champs)
Year 8: 70.8 ppg, 57.9 pa

So really there's only been 2 seasons where the offense wasn't scoring 73 or more a game, and it's more about personnel than coaching IMO. Year 5 was Bowden, Fulky, Pons, Turner returning talent and then ON, Uros, Santi, JJJ, Pember, Gaines were all in year 1 and then Turner's season ended after 11 games. Following season was the "back to basketball" year that was shortened because of COVID and Springer/Keon didn't get much off-season practice etc.

And then this year, Phillips and Key not being more consistent scoring threats was really the reason.

Next year I'm hoping DJ Jefferson, Freddie, Carr, JP, Cade are able to contribute more.

Awaka, BJ, Phillips (if they all return) will be in year 2 and more prepared for grinding through a full season.

Mashack, ZZ, Aidoo will all be in year 3 and that's been the year when Barnes' development seems to pay off. ZZ obviously might be behind a bit and we see his big year in year 4 because of the injury. But Aidoo and Mashack got lots of minutes this year so hopefully they each take the next step.

We'll have 2 scholarships available if all the seniors leave and no one portals out. I think the priority will be on a quick guard who can ball handle, doesn't have to be a true PG but someone with more capability to drive than Santi/Key have. Something BJ may also be focusing on becoming. The other spot I think they want a good/great big (Graham Ike from Wyoming for example) that isn't looking to shoot 3s and wants to get his inside the paint.

This is what has been so frustrating about this team….. Here is our points scored in games we lost: 62 against Loyola, 56 against Oregon State, 68 against Michigan, 55 against FAU…..The one game we scored at or above our average and still lost was Purdue…. We had 82 in regulation with the loaded upper class team… we had a first half of 28 points but did manage to explode for 54 second half points…. In the Iowa game…. We only scored 22 second half points to allow them to come back to force overtime.

 

[VOLED]

As Pat said, offense sells tickets, defense wins ballgames, rebounds win championships. We had no effort in rebounding, it was really sad to watch. Anytime a shot went up they were frantically trying to get it, we weren't interested.

On several offensive rebounds we didn't even have anyone attempt to get the ball. Really hard to watch.

 

[bignewt]

I'm in!

Thank you sir! We have a league!

Draft is Sunday at 5 PM EST

 

[reVOLution33]

Well, that’s not true.

If there had been a new ranking come out we likely would have been unranked we were 17th win we lost in the SEC tournament and had a worse record then several unranked opponents.