Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[Vols4us]

Personally there's 2 very specific reasons why I wouldn't draft Will Levis.

1. Mark Stoops - His style of coaching is defense first, run the ball, manage the game at QB. His best finishing teams were all run heavy offenses and one season a WR played QB the bulk of the year for them. Doesn't develop QB talent, doesn't prepare or help them develop for the next level just ZERO track record of any of his QBs being able to even hold a roster spot at the next level. Levis played in 24 games there and has 636 attempts in those games but just 5232 passing yards. Hooker in 24 games at UT had 632 attempts and put up 6080 passing yards

2. Christopher Rodriguez Jr. - Any QB with a RB that has a career 6.2 YPC should be able to put up some numbers, no one is coming in trying to stop the passing game against Kentucky. NO ONE. 38 games for Levis, only 7 throwing 250 or more yards and 6 of the 7 were against non P5 schools. The 7th was TN in a shootout (which they lost) in Heupel's first year.

24 starts at Kentucky and only in 50% of those games did he throw for 200 or more passing.

Just feel like Levis is a throwback to the 90s era of pro QBs, where you had guys like Smith, Thurman, Edge, George, Dillon, the Bus, Martin, etc. that would rack up 300+ carries and you're just being asked to throw it 20-25 times a game with the bulk coming off PA into single coverage looks.

Agree and I would add a third reason. He doesn't read coverages well at all and it has zero to do with development after all those years of quarterbacking. He doesn't see wide open guys in front of him and will throw into triple coverage even when he has time in the pocket. That's a function of the brain, or the lack thereof. He's going to get a HC and GM fired.

 

[VolGee4]

Studies on the revenue impact of stadiums are decidedly mixed. These are billionaire owners. They don't need to be fleecing taxpayers to build stadiums, especially when there's no chance they're leaving Nashville anyway, but legislators are all too happy to dip into the public trough to finance nonsense. It's someone else's money after all!

I don’t disagree in some cases. But location does matter, and Nashville has become a destination.

The upgrades in Memphis are important because there is no real guarantee that the Grizzlies stay. But these are important decisions for businesses in these areas.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Agree and I would add a third reason. He doesn't read coverages well at all and it has zero to do with development after all those years of quarterbacking. He doesn't see wide open guys in front of him and will throw into triple coverage even when he has time in the pocket. That's a function of the brain, or the lack thereof. He's going to get a HC and GM fired.

Great point, and one I find odd. Hooker is being knocked because he doesn't have to read coverages (although he actually does, just happens pre-snap the bulk of the time) and that the tempo/offense creates "wide open" WRs all over the field.

But Levis whose offense also generally creates wide open WRs off the PA isn't knocked for his inability to read coverages and find those WRs...instead "he can make those throws into tight windows" when his inability to read coverage is exactly WHY he's having to throw into tight windows...

Just turn on the tape of these QBs when throwing 50/50 balls. Tillman made a living winning those, but without good throws that doesn't happen.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Would be a great spot for HH. Understudy to Cousins and then take over.

Great. Why is it always the teams no one cares about that draft TN players?

 

[volbeast33]

For every Josh Allen there are 50 Jake Lockers.

That’s for all QBs….. here is the list of QBs from the past few seasons…. Some had amazing college careers and couldn’t hack it in the pros.
Pickett ? It’s an extremely hard position to scout with very few guarantees… I, personally, wouldn’t take Levi’s.

The great:
Lawrence…. Early but really good
Burrow
Murray
Mahomes
Allen
Watson
Herbert

Average:
Fields
D Jones
M Jones ( bottom of the average group)
Tua
Goff

Busts so far:
Wilson
Lance
Love
Haskins
Mayfield
Darnold
Trubisky
Wentz
Lynch
Winston
Matiotta
Bortles
Manziel
Bridgewater
Manuel

 

[Jackcrevol]

That’s for all QBs….. here is the list of QBs from the past few seasons…. Some had amazing college careers and couldn’t hack it in the pros.
Pickett ? It’s an extremely hard position to scout with very few guarantees… I, personally, wouldn’t take Levi’s.

The great:
Lawrence…. Early but really good
Burrow
Murray
Mahomes
Allen
Watson
Herbert

Average:
Fields
D Jones
M Jones ( bottom of the average group)
Tua
Goff

Busts so far:
Wilson
Lance
Love
Haskins
Mayfield
Darnold
Trubisky
Wentz
Lynch
Winston
Matiotta
Bortles
Manziel
Bridgewater
Manuel

so far? lol, safe to say manziel is a bust.

That ship sailed so long ago, its rotted and sunk.

 

[bignewt]

so far? lol, safe to say manziel is a bust.

That ship sailed so long ago, its rotted and sunk.

Wow now that I think about it, Manziel is a good comp for Levis. A meathead with athleticism.

 

[drvenner]

Oh yeah, Nashville hosting the draft = big bucks and one of the largest crowds in draft history.

New stadium = Super Bowl, and most likely hosting one SB will pay back that investment double.

I did not realize it was in Nashville. If the Titans take Levis, I have serious doubts that there will be boisterous cheering.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I did not realize it was in Nashville. If the Titans take Levis, I have serious doubts that there will be boisterous cheering.

This years isn't, I just meant the year they did host it they raked in big bucks and it's one driving factor in the city wanting to upgrade the Titan's stadium.

That and their new professional soccer team.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Wow now that I think about it, Manziel is a good comp for Levis. A meathead with athleticism.

Future MVP, in their own minds.

Every thought starts with I

 

[Jackcrevol]

Fellas, just want to opine on the new Sports Talk lineup...

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Can we talk more about @MetalVolunteer saying the next two weeks are gonna be good for us?

VQ guys suggested they didn’t see anything on the horizon during a recent chat.

I absolutely trust MV… but I’m wondering what we should be expecting? I got my popcorn ready

Edit: my guess is Peyton Lewis

Just dawned on me that the Emmanuel Okoye is probably who MV was referring to. Ronan something is probably another possibility. I think Peyton Lewis wants to visit uscjr in June so doubt he’d commit in the next two weeks

 

[Ace]

I am hearing lots of stories of P5 coaches pulling scholarships of players. Many of these players in portal are being forced into portal. Some are near graduation and are losing scholarships. This is not just Colorado, it is everywhere. NIL and transfer portal have really hurt players who love to play, but also want an education. NCAA and many coaches are proving once again that they care nothing about student athletes. $$$$

 

[Jackcrevol]

Just dawned on me that the Emmanuel Okoye is probably who MV was referring to. Ronan something is probably another possibility. I think Peyton Lewis wants to visit uscjr in June so doubt he’d commit in the next two weeks

Thought he'd visited Columbia already.

Recently released footage captured his reaction..

 

[Vols4us]

Great point, and one I find odd. Hooker is being knocked because he doesn't have to read coverages (although he actually does, just happens pre-snap the bulk of the time) and that the tempo/offense creates "wide open" WRs all over the field.

But Levis whose offense also generally creates wide open WRs off the PA isn't knocked for his inability to read coverages and find those WRs...instead "he can make those throws into tight windows" when his inability to read coverage is exactly WHY he's having to throw into tight windows...

Just turn on the tape of these QBs when throwing 50/50 balls. Tillman made a living winning those, but without good throws that doesn't happen.

100%.

Which is why we don't believe he will make it. The brain doesn't process what he sees quickly and correctly.

Even HH lost on a couple of those 50/50 balls when they were not placed in the right spot or Tillman did not adjust well. That's the nature of it. But Levis doesn't even recognize the need to do it a certain way, he just wings it.

 

[RikidyBones]

I am hearing lots of stories of P5 coaches pulling scholarships of players. Many of these players in portal are being forced into portal. Some are near graduation and are losing scholarships. This is not just Colorado, it is everywhere. NIL and transfer portal have really hurt players who love to play, but also want an education. NCAA and many coaches are proving once again that they care nothing about student athletes. $$$$

It goes both ways and it won't go just one way. Nature of the beast sadly.

 

[TheRain]

I'm with you sister...

 

[TheRain]

No pizza tonight for us.

 

[triadvolfan]

Great point, and one I find odd. Hooker is being knocked because he doesn't have to read coverages (although he actually does, just happens pre-snap the bulk of the time) and that the tempo/offense creates "wide open" WRs all over the field.

But Levis whose offense also generally creates wide open WRs off the PA isn't knocked for his inability to read coverages and find those WRs...instead "he can make those throws into tight windows" when his inability to read coverage is exactly WHY he's having to throw into tight windows...

Just turn on the tape of these QBs when throwing 50/50 balls. Tillman made a living winning those, but without good throws that doesn't happen.

I suspect over the next few years NFL scouts and GMs will realize players that can think and execute quickly enough to run our offense will be successful in the NFL. NFL reads are more complex than reads in our offense, but in our offense the players only have about 7 seconds to line up, make the read, and execute the play. A player that can do that is smart enough to play in the NFL.

The NFL will seem like slow motion for Hooker as they dabble at the line for 35 seconds before hiking the ball.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

No pizza tonight for us.

Knock knock. Who’s there?

Pizza Magic.

Nightmare fuel.

 

[TheRain]

Knock knock. Who’s there?

Pizza Magic.

Nightmare fuel.

Yowza...

 

[volbeast33]

Great point, and one I find odd. Hooker is being knocked because he doesn't have to read coverages (although he actually does, just happens pre-snap the bulk of the time) and that the tempo/offense creates "wide open" WRs all over the field.

But Levis whose offense also generally creates wide open WRs off the PA isn't knocked for his inability to read coverages and find those WRs...instead "he can make those throws into tight windows" when his inability to read coverage is exactly WHY he's having to throw into tight windows...

Just turn on the tape of these QBs when throwing 50/50 balls. Tillman made a living winning those, but without good throws that doesn't happen.

Hooker and other QBs will get knocked until a qb from this system is successful… I looked up stats from all of Heupel’s teams and Art Briles teams(which is closest to what we run, imo)…. All the QBs stats were very similar…. Some a little worse or better. No qb has ever been a successful NFL qb from this system…. We need Hooker to be the first one.

 

[volbeast33]

so far? lol, safe to say manziel is a bust.

That ship sailed so long ago, its rotted and sunk.

I lumped them all together… some still have a chance to get better.

 

[MarcoVol]

Hooker and other QBs will get knocked until a qb from this system is successful… I looked up stats from all of Heupel’s teams and Art Briles teams(which is closest to what we run, imo)…. All the QBs stats were very similar…. Some a little worse or better. No qb has ever been a successful NFL qb from this system…. We need Hooker to be the first one.

Nah. Nico won’t get knocked when it’s his turn regardless of HH.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I suspect over the next few years NFL scouts and GMs will realize players that can think and execute quickly enough to run our offense will be successful in the NFL. NFL reads are more complex than reads in our offense, but in our offense the players only have about 7 seconds to line up, make the read, and execute the play. A player that can do that is smart enough to play in the NFL.

The NFL will seem like slow motion for Hooker as they dabble at the line for 35 seconds before hiking the ball.

For sure, and the NFL is the elite of the elite of the elite. You want a good QB and then pieces around them make them great/elite.

Speed is also just different in the NFL at every level, so a QB really has to be able to get the ball out at the right time and pure arm talent isn't enough.