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Drew Lock was a 95 rated 4*….. Griffin was a low rated 4*…. Hooker was rated similar to Griffin.

Here are two stats…. One is Hookers from his best year and the other is Bryce Petty..

69.6% 3135 9.5 y/a 27 TDs 2 ints 430 yds 5 TDs

62% 4,200 10.4 y/a 32 TDs 3 ints 209 yds rush 14 TDs

This is why some may be hesitant on Hooker…. Almost every qb is able to put up stats in this offense

We need him to prove it in the league once he gets there…. All those QBs you mentioned were journey man…. Not starting level qbs…. Griffon had a chance to be that guy if he didn’t get injured.

Yep agreed completely. Drew Lock sadly was never really good... too inaccurate and just a bad decision maker. Heupel's system helped them still produce in spite of those short comings though.

2016: 54.6% 3399 yards 23 TDs 10 INTs
2017: 57.8% 3964 yards 44 TDs 13 INTs

I actually believe Hooker is the best QB to emerged from the veer and shoot, but even then a bad NFL team/coach can ruin his career so it's never a guarantee.

Personally I want to see him land in Seattle I think Pete knows how to get the most out of his QBs. Geno being there will also potentially give Hendo at least a season to get acclimated to the NFL and fully healthy.
 
I live in Nashville and I agree with the last point. I grew up in Lynchburg VA with the blue ridge mountains and yeah Nashville looks like trash. But not that bad! Used to live in LA that was way worse.

I dont think the traffic is bad unless you haven't driven in any other big cities. ATL is on a different level as far as sucky traffic goes. But i don't really get in many traffic jams like ever and I work downtown.

The no soul thing I think is there's no homogenized soul. Different kinds of soul around here, but what I love is the energy of it becoming one of the most important cities in the world. A lot of people here following their dreams and a lot of tourists happy to come here and have fun. More and more influential people moving here and it's still not mega city big or anything. I absolutely love it here.

Oh and it's so centrally located you can get so so many different places quickly.
Agree with this. I grew up just outside of Nashville but my mom's side is several generations of Nashville. I was born there. Nashville today isn't what it was when I was a kid. By the time I was in high school, most of my peers in Nashville schools were transplants. When I was at UT, the kids that said they were "from Nashville" had only lived there 2-6 years before graduating high school.

There's still "soul" but you got to know where to find it I guess. I feel it when I'm home and driving through but it's in the little things I guess. When I talk with actual generational locals and see the things from my childhood.

East and Southeast Nashville are flat as a pancake. If you come from the East you enter through flat land. It's hideous.

But if you come from the West, Southwest, or North it's hill country. I personally love the hills between Franklin, Fairview, West Nashville, Ashland City, all the way to Hendersonville area.

Since 2016 I've interacted with more international people and the number of people who know Nashville has increased in recent years. It went from people knowing Jack Daniels (not Nashville) and Miley Cyrus (seriously) to kinda place Tennessee on a map to just last week talking to a Serbian. I said I was from Tennessee and he said, "Oh! You know Nashville?!" In some respects I love that Nashville is an "IT" city right now and proud to say I'm from there. In others its sad when I come home and everything is different.
 
Drew Lock was a 95 rated 4*….. Griffin was a low rated 4*…. Hooker was rated similar to Griffin.

Here are two stats…. One is Hookers from his best year and the other is Bryce Petty..

69.6% 3135 9.5 y/a 27 TDs 2 ints 430 yds 5 TDs

62% 4,200 10.4 y/a 32 TDs 3 ints 209 yds rush 14 TDs

This is why some may be hesitant on Hooker…. Almost every qb is able to put up stats in this offense

We need him to prove it in the league once he gets there…. All those QBs you mentioned were journey man…. Not starting level qbs…. Griffon had a chance to be that guy if he didn’t get injured.
Yeah I get what you’re saying. But when Briles was running it the nfl was waaay different than today. Alabama keeps stacking QB’s and they havent had any nfl superstars.
 
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Yeah I get what you’re saying. But when Briles was running it the nfl was waaay different than today. Alabama keeps stacking QB’s and they havent had any nfl superstars.

Jalen Hurts
Tua Tagovailoa
Mac Jones

Not sure all 3 are superstars yet, but all starters putting up solid numbers.
 
Jalen Hurts
Tua Tagovailoa
Mac Jones

Not sure all 3 are superstars yet, but all starters putting up solid numbers.
26 years as a head coach and you pulled last 3/4 starters. Not one superstar though. Sadly, Tua I don’t think will have a very long career.
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-mac Jones stats 3,000 yards 14/11 td/int.
-Jalen hurts has been putting up very solid numbers and better every year, too bad he went to Lincoln Riley to get help at QB
-tua had a good year last year
 
Agree with this. I grew up just outside of Nashville but my mom's side is several generations of Nashville. I was born there. Nashville today isn't what it was when I was a kid. By the time I was in high school, most of my peers in Nashville schools were transplants. When I was at UT, the kids that said they were "from Nashville" had only lived there 2-6 years before graduating high school.

There's still "soul" but you got to know where to find it I guess. I feel it when I'm home and driving through but it's in the little things I guess. When I talk with actual generational locals and see the things from my childhood.

East and Southeast Nashville are flat as a pancake. If you come from the East you enter through flat land. It's hideous.

But if you come from the West, Southwest, or North it's hill country. I personally love the hills between Franklin, Fairview, West Nashville, Ashland City, all the way to Hendersonville area.

Since 2016 I've interacted with more international people and the number of people who know Nashville has increased in recent years. It went from people knowing Jack Daniels (not Nashville) and Miley Cyrus (seriously) to kinda place Tennessee on a map to just last week talking to a Serbian. I said I was from Tennessee and he said, "Oh! You know Nashville?!" In some respects I love that Nashville is an "IT" city right now and proud to say I'm from there. In others its sad when I come home and everything is different.
You know what Nashville doesn't have? The University of Tennessee.

They got that icky Vanderbilt.
 
26 years as a head coach and you pulled last 3/4 starters. Not one superstar though. Sadly, Tua I don’t think will have a very long career.

"hasn't had any" thought that meant you know...ANY

The point is that Saban (especially since they shifted offensive philosophy) has had more of his previous QBs produce in the NFL...granted it's recent and there isn't much long-term success yet.

Veer and Shoot hasn't had I think maybe 2 or 3 QBs... and none of them were starters for more than a season or two.

So if ya wanna split hairs Saban has produced more successful QBs in the NFL than Art or Heupel (as of now). I think Heupel will be able to start pumping out more while here at UT though... Hendo hopefully being the first, then Milton & Nico following as well.
 
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"hasn't had any" thought that meant you know...ANY

The point is that Saban (especially since they shifted offensive philosophy) has had more of his previous QBs produce in the NFL...granted it's recent and there isn't much long-term success yet.

Veer and Shoot hasn't had I think maybe 2 or 3 QBs... and none of them were starters for more than a season or two.

So if ya wanna split hairs Saban has produced more successful QBs in the NFL than Art or Heupel (as of now). I think Heupel will be able to start pumping out more while here at UT though... Hendo hopefully being the first, then Milton & Nico following as well.
Well like I stated Alabama hasn’t produced ANY superstars.
Saban been doing this for 26 years and has 2 QBs that have been decent.
Give it time brotha JH has just started
 
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Well like I stated Alabama hasn’t produced ANY superstars.
Saban been doing this for 26 years and has 2 QBs that have been decent.
Give it time brotha JH has just started

You mean ANY superstar QBs...and I never disagreed with that. Veer and shoot though has yet to produce even a decent QB to see as many starts as any 1 of the 3 QBs from Bama I named.

Definitely think Heupel will change that. Hooker getting hurt likely lands him on a quality team and he will have a better shot at success in the NFL than Will Levis or Anthony Richardson (both likely landing on bad teams).
 
This isn't a leading question, genuinely curious. Has there ever been a qb who was average at best in college drafted in the top 5? I'm just trying to see if Levis will be the top 5 draft pick with the worst stats of all other top 5s.
Not quite top-5, but Josh Allen was 7th and put up a career 137 qbr at Wyoming.

Levis ended his career with a 145 qbr.

That's the closest I can think of
 
Yep agreed completely. Drew Lock sadly was never really good... too inaccurate and just a bad decision maker. Heupel's system helped them still produce in spite of those short comings though.

2016: 54.6% 3399 yards 23 TDs 10 INTs
2017: 57.8% 3964 yards 44 TDs 13 INTs

I actually believe Hooker is the best QB to emerged from the veer and shoot, but even then a bad NFL team/coach can ruin his career so it's never a guarantee.

Personally I want to see him land in Seattle I think Pete knows how to get the most out of his QBs. Geno being there will also potentially give Hendo at least a season to get acclimated to the NFL and fully healthy.
I think Hooker is the most accurate qb to run the veer and shoot…. His fate will be determined by if he is able to learn his progression/coverages…. It would be awesome if Pete Carroll could get ahold of him.
 
That's like giving Justin Fuente credit for Hendon Hooker's development as a QB

I'd credit the current Eagles HC/OC/QB coach for Hurts more than Riley or Saban personally. This is his 3rd year in the league and Nick Sirianni, Shane Steichen, & Brian Johnson have been their the last 2 when he's been the starter and having his success.

With how many different QB/OC coaches Hurts had in college I don't know that any one of them deserves credit for what he's doing now.
 
Really? How many years was Hooker at Virginia Tech versus UT? Now, how many years was Jalen Hurts at Alabama versus Oklahoma?
Both would have been on the bench if they had stayed at their original schools. Plus when Hurts went to OU he became a much more polished passer under Riley. Who knows where he gets drafted if he remained under Alabama offensive system on the bench. Highly doubt he ends up where he is today.
 
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