Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[Volnut]

Please say a prayer for our 1 year old son Parker. Day 5 of very high fevers (104+) and lethargy and at the ER again for the 2nd time in 3 days. Doing CBC test, catheter to rule out UTI and some different viral panel swabs. There is nothing worse in this world than seeing your little man in pain. Just want him 100% and some peace of mind.

You've got prayers going up from Texas!

 

[Enki_Amenra]

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I hate that, always seems to be how it goes. I was 1 leg away from hitting a +50,000 parlay last season.

I'm empty til next football season. Surprised I haven't done any soccer since football season.

 

[gainesvol82]

I am not as familiar, so I if I get time, I will research it. I think a lot of the theory about Pearl Harbor has some basis in fact. I think a lot of people use it today to criticize FDR. I do know that Churchill was ecstatic it happened because he knew we were in with England and the Allies. It seems a big reach to make the leap we encouraged it. That is sacrificing thousands of lives. I also know public sentiment before Pearl Harbor was still vastly in favor of staying out of it, so that does add some credence to the theory. I still don't think any of the evidence is nearly strong enough to support the theory.

I agree that I don't think we expected or wanted a situation like Pearl Harbor to happen. Our actions leading up to that point were very antagonistic towards Japan but I think we misjudged their response. There was a lack of understanding of what other countries would do by several key players in WW2 and we put a much greater emphasis on espionage in the aftermath as a result.

Churchill seemed to benefit in his understanding of the cultural differences due to how globally active imperial Britain was in the years leading up to WW2. Out of all the political leaders at the time, he seemed to have the clearest understanding of the global political climate and what to expect from everyone. The Geman and Japanese superiority complex and the isolationist policies of the U.S. created blind spots for each country. We have been much more proactive than reactive ever since and Germany/Japan were so devastated by the post-war global policies and overall shame of their actions that both countries leaned hard into becoming model citizens in the global stage.

There wasn't much else they could really do since Germany was devastated and surrounded by Russia and Western European countries (primarily Great Britain) and Japan had the Soviets, Chinese and the spread of communism throughout Asia to worry about while also having the U.S. occupation to deal with while also relying on us for their defense and to act as a buffer against the increasing communist influence.


It is a fascinating time in global politics and very interesting to see how it all shaped today's world and how countries are presently allied. I have a lot of respect for how the Japanese rebounded and their culture changed.....we were smart to keep Russian influence out unlike what happened in Germany post-war.

 

[tnvols72]

Please say a prayer for our 1 year old son Parker. Day 5 of very high fevers (104+) and lethargy and at the ER again for the 2nd time in 3 days. Doing CBC test, catheter to rule out UTI and some different viral panel swabs. There is nothing worse in this world than seeing your little man in pain. Just want him 100% and some peace of mind.View attachment 552673View attachment 552677

Praying in Jesus name

 

[gainesvol82]

FDR wanted a reason to join the war, not lose it.
Anyone who would imply the Executive Branch knew ahead of time about the attack on Pearl Harbor, and then allowed it to happen, does not understand military planning.

IF the US Navy, or Naval Intelligence, knew the Japanese fleet was near Hawaii, the US fleet would have deployed to strike first, or be in open seas where they could maneuver. The carriers were away on exercises, but the battleships were still considered the gold standard for naval power. They would not have been bottled up at the base.
Why would a president want to join a war while losing his fleet needed to fight the war? The incredible US building program for ships was not a foregone conclusion, yet.

Air power was not fully appreciated as a trump for big guns until December 10, when Japanese land bombers and naval torpedo planes sunk the battle cruiser HMS Repulse and battleship HMS Prince of Wales, two British ships sent to defend Singapore. A BB and BC with four destroyers were considered to be adequate to defend against the Japanese fleet looking to land a Marine force to attack behind the British defenses of Singapore. The Singapore defenses only faced north on the Maylayan Penninsula because the British Navy felt it could defend the Straits of Malacca under all circumstances.

The Japanese air forces located, then attacked the ships and sunk them both in short order. The British were shocked the Japanese could overcome their firepower. The US Navy understood immediately that big guns without air cover were doomed. Pearl Harbor and this Naval Battle of Maylaya were the canary in the coal mine informing the world's navies that all their war planning was worthless, and carriers would win or lose the war in the Pacific.

The British army at Singapore, 80,000 British, Indian, Australian and local troops, was now doomed and surrendered in February, 1942.

Good stuff and I fully agree with you. I did not mean to imply that causing Pearl Harbor was our goal. I have read a lot about our actions leading up to Pearl Harbor and, while I do believe that our actions support the theory that we either expected or wanted what we saw as an inevitable clash, I definitely do not think we anticipated PH. I think we misjudged Japan's capability and willingness to strike us first.

We got lucky with our carriers not being wiped out. Our mobilization of resources to respond as quickly as possible, the skill of our naval commanders and bravery of sailors and airmen who were at a disadvantage in those early Pacific encounters is legendary stuff. The Pacific naval battles are more interesting to me than D-day primarily because the margin between who won and lost was razor thin until we got fully mobilized on that front. Had a few battles gone slightly differently then the world as we know it is vastly different.

 

[gainesvol82]

I believe it was more than just a crapp Jerry Bruckheimer theory that we had intel on PH, and didnt take it seriously. Basically the equivalent of gettinng caught with your pants down.

I do not however, think FDR would have purposefully theown fhe game. That sounds like some typical dark web, conspiracy shennaginanry.

Agreed completely.

 

[gainesvol82]

Let’s assume you have basic amenities covered like electricity, potable water, satellite internet/TV for UT games, etc.

For me, it’s enough marijuana to last a year Endless munchies.

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Is my wife with me or not? That greatly influences my answer.

If no wife then I'm bringing my daughter's Nintendo Switch with the new Zelda game I bought last Friday. I fully plan on weekend binging that game over the summer while not at the beach. I could extend that out another 9 months.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

So here’s the argument advanced by some opposing fans. Tennessee is likely to regress this year in terms of its offense. With the loss of Hooker and Hyatt, not to mention Darnell Wright, and maybe Tillman, that offense is going to take a step back. Really? What if I told you I wasn’t so sure. Hear me out.

Josh Heupel has been a head coach for 5 years, starting in 2018 at UCF. In that time 6 different QBs have started games for him, McKenzie Milton, Darriel Mack Jr, Brandon Wimbush, Dillon Gabriel, Joe Milton, and Hendon Hooker. As the table below shows in all 5 years Heupel has fielded a top 10 offense in terms of both yards per game (total offense) and points per game (scoring offense). Some years his offense leans more on the running game, other years the offense leans more on the passing game, but the end result is still the same, top 10 total and top 10 scoring.

After the 2021 season we essentially lost all of our starting receivers though Tillman actually did start the first 3 games of 2022. We also lost 5-star Cade Mays from the offensive line, yet our offense improved to best in the nation and we took down Florida, LSU on the road, and Alabama. Cade finished 2021 on the all-sec team and Tillman was on multiple preseason all-sec teams for 2022. I mean maybe Hooker was the key to our success but then McKenzie and Dillon, well they too masterminded top 10 offenses and with far less talent that we typically have, in any position group, on that side of the ball.

I just don’t think the normal rules apply. I think Heupel’s success is maybe a bit more due to the X’s and O’s than it is to the jimmys and joes and that’s the criticism that some levy our way. From the very first game here we had people who know (Big Orange QBs) saying one thing was obvious, Heupel knew how to scheme his guys open. The thing is eventually opposing DCs are going to get enough film on Josh’s offense that they’ll be able to stop him. I mean we know that film from 62 games hasn’t been enough. Just wait. Eventually there’ll be enough film out there and yeah it may be 300+ games but somebody’s bound to figure this out. Right? lol

I see Josh Heupel to offense the way most people see Nick Saban and Kirby Smart to defense. I think the ultimate vindication may be when we beat Georgia’s defense this year. jmo.

I think it’s worth noting that from a talent perspective our second teams have the edge over our first teams. That bodes well I think for the program’s sustainability. Josh has noted multiple times this offseason that we finally have some depth on our team. I think it’s pretty obvious that’s a true assessment. jmo.

Last point. I’ve been going through the depth charts of our more elite opponents for this year (Georgia and Texas A&M so far) and surprisingly they don’t have near the edge in talent that many perceive, at least not on paper. In the aggregate it's marginal at best though Georgia's 3rd team defense is considerably more talented than our 3rd team, at least on paper. Of course we have a few more gems that have yet to really suit up (Hobbs, Bradley, Weathersby, etc.) so if they can start moving up the depth chart in camp our 3rd teamers will start improving as well. jmo.

 

[tnvols72]

lol

 

[volbeast33]

Please say a prayer for our 1 year old son Parker. Day 5 of very high fevers (104+) and lethargy and at the ER again for the 2nd time in 3 days. Doing CBC test, catheter to rule out UTI and some different viral panel swabs. There is nothing worse in this world than seeing your little man in pain. Just want him 100% and some peace of mind.View attachment 552673View attachment 552677

Prayers for your little one…. Nothing is worse than seeing them sick…. I also want to ask for a little girl (8) that was just diagnosed with bladder cancer… Her mom works with my wife…. I help her with homework every once in awhile…. She is a precious little girl.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

So here’s the argument advanced by some opposing fans. Tennessee is likely to regress this year in terms of its offense. With the loss of Hooker and Hyatt, not to mention Darnell Wright, and maybe Tillman, that offense is going to take a step back. Really? What if I told you I wasn’t so sure. Hear me out.

Josh Heupel has been a head coach for 5 years, starting in 2018 at UCF. In that time 6 different QBs have started games for him, McKenzie Milton, Darriel Mack Jr, Brandon Wimbush, Dillon Gabriel, Joe Milton, and Hendon Hooker. As the table below shows in all 5 years Heupel has fielded a top 10 offense in terms of both yards per game (total offense) and points per game (scoring offense). Some years his offense leans more on the running game, other years the offense leans more on the passing game, but the end result is still the same, top 10 total and top 10 scoring.
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After the 2021 season we essentially lost all of our starting receivers though Tillman actually did start the first 3 games of 2022. We also lost 5-star Cade Mays from the offensive line, yet our offense improved to best in the nation and we took down Florida, LSU on the road, and Alabama. Cade finished 2021 on the all-sec team and Tillman was on multiple preseason all-sec teams for 2022. I mean maybe Hooker was the key to our success but then McKenzie and Dillon, well they too masterminded top 10 offenses and with far less talent that we typically have, in any position group, on that side of the ball.

I just don’t think the normal rules apply. I think Heupel’s success is maybe a bit more due to the X’s and O’s than it is to the jimmys and joes and that’s the criticism that some levy our way. From the very first game here we had people who know (Big Orange QBs) saying one thing was obvious, Heupel knew how to scheme his guys open. The thing is eventually opposing DCs are going to get enough film on Josh’s offense that they’ll be able to stop him. I mean we know that film from 62 games hasn’t been enough. Just wait. Eventually there’ll be enough film out there and yeah it may be 300+ games but somebody’s bound to figure this out. Right? lol

I see Josh Heupel to offense the way most people see Nick Saban and Kirby Smart to defense. I think the ultimate vindication may be when we beat Georgia’s defense this year. jmo.

I think it’s worth noting that from a talent perspective our second teams have the edge over our first teams. That bodes well I think for the program’s sustainability. Josh has noted multiple times this offseason that we finally have some depth on our team. I think it’s pretty obvious that’s a true assessment. jmo.

Last point. I’ve been going through the depth charts of our more elite opponents for this year (Georgia and Texas A&M so far) and surprisingly they don’t have near the edge in talent that many perceive, at least not on paper. In the aggregate it's marginal at best though Georgia's 3rd team defense is considerably more talented than our 3rd team, at least on paper. Of course we have a few more gems that have yet to really suit up (Hobbs, Bradley, Weathersby, etc.) so if they can start moving up the depth chart in camp our 3rd teamers will start improving as well. jmo.
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Can’t really use his UCF numbers. This is the SEC. The OL is gonna be a big question this year. Losing Wright will be huge. He will be hard to replace. I think we will regress on offense. We won’t be #1 in scoring and yards per game imo. I think slip out of the top 10. But that’s still really good.

Now there is a situation that we can remain maybe top 5-10 in scoring. If Milton puts it all together and finally performs up to his abilities, then we could be lethal again.

 

[Vols4us]

So here’s the argument advanced by some opposing fans. Tennessee is likely to regress this year in terms of its offense. With the loss of Hooker and Hyatt, not to mention Darnell Wright, and maybe Tillman, that offense is going to take a step back. Really? What if I told you I wasn’t so sure. Hear me out.

Josh Heupel has been a head coach for 5 years, starting in 2018 at UCF. In that time 6 different QBs have started games for him, McKenzie Milton, Darriel Mack Jr, Brandon Wimbush, Dillon Gabriel, Joe Milton, and Hendon Hooker. As the table below shows in all 5 years Heupel has fielded a top 10 offense in terms of both yards per game (total offense) and points per game (scoring offense). Some years his offense leans more on the running game, other years the offense leans more on the passing game, but the end result is still the same, top 10 total and top 10 scoring.
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After the 2021 season we essentially lost all of our starting receivers though Tillman actually did start the first 3 games of 2022. We also lost 5-star Cade Mays from the offensive line, yet our offense improved to best in the nation and we took down Florida, LSU on the road, and Alabama. Cade finished 2021 on the all-sec team and Tillman was on multiple preseason all-sec teams for 2022. I mean maybe Hooker was the key to our success but then McKenzie and Dillon, well they too masterminded top 10 offenses and with far less talent that we typically have, in any position group, on that side of the ball.

I just don’t think the normal rules apply. I think Heupel’s success is maybe a bit more due to the X’s and O’s than it is to the jimmys and joes and that’s the criticism that some levy our way. From the very first game here we had people who know (Big Orange QBs) saying one thing was obvious, Heupel knew how to scheme his guys open. The thing is eventually opposing DCs are going to get enough film on Josh’s offense that they’ll be able to stop him. I mean we know that film from 62 games hasn’t been enough. Just wait. Eventually there’ll be enough film out there and yeah it may be 300+ games but somebody’s bound to figure this out. Right? lol

I see Josh Heupel to offense the way most people see Nick Saban and Kirby Smart to defense. I think the ultimate vindication may be when we beat Georgia’s defense this year. jmo.

I think it’s worth noting that from a talent perspective our second teams have the edge over our first teams. That bodes well I think for the program’s sustainability. Josh has noted multiple times this offseason that we finally have some depth on our team. I think it’s pretty obvious that’s a true assessment. jmo.

Last point. I’ve been going through the depth charts of our more elite opponents for this year (Georgia and Texas A&M so far) and surprisingly they don’t have near the edge in talent that many perceive, at least not on paper. In the aggregate it's marginal at best though Georgia's 3rd team defense is considerably more talented than our 3rd team, at least on paper. Of course we have a few more gems that have yet to really suit up (Hobbs, Bradley, Weathersby, etc.) so if they can start moving up the depth chart in camp our 3rd teamers will start improving as well. jmo.
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Good work. Thank you.

I'm all in on 10+ wins (15-0, right doc?!). People can manage expectations all they want if it helps them sleep at night. We never know in advance the injury issues or how the officials are going to openly mess with them. However, those things aside, the D will take a big step forward this season. It was obvious in the last two games where they were headed and Banks will be able to open up the D playbook more this season. Heup will put a 40+ point average score on the board. This is the third year for all of them in the system. The roster is well developed and knows their roles.

 

[UTSuave’]

I hate that, always seems to be how it goes. I was 1 leg away from hitting a +50,000 parlay last season.

I'm empty til next football season. Surprised I haven't done any soccer since football season.

Baseball has been kicking my a$$…a lot more challenging..I’m out until college basketball and college football…that’s when I’ll see the numbers

 

[Orange_Crush]

What kind of snake is this?

What kind of snake is this?

 

[jakez4ut]

So here’s the argument advanced by some opposing fans. Tennessee is likely to regress this year in terms of its offense. With the loss of Hooker and Hyatt, not to mention Darnell Wright, and maybe Tillman, that offense is going to take a step back. Really? What if I told you I wasn’t so sure. Hear me out.

Josh Heupel has been a head coach for 5 years, starting in 2018 at UCF. In that time 6 different QBs have started games for him, McKenzie Milton, Darriel Mack Jr, Brandon Wimbush, Dillon Gabriel, Joe Milton, and Hendon Hooker. As the table below shows in all 5 years Heupel has fielded a top 10 offense in terms of both yards per game (total offense) and points per game (scoring offense). Some years his offense leans more on the running game, other years the offense leans more on the passing game, but the end result is still the same, top 10 total and top 10 scoring.
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After the 2021 season we essentially lost all of our starting receivers though Tillman actually did start the first 3 games of 2022. We also lost 5-star Cade Mays from the offensive line, yet our offense improved to best in the nation and we took down Florida, LSU on the road, and Alabama. Cade finished 2021 on the all-sec team and Tillman was on multiple preseason all-sec teams for 2022. I mean maybe Hooker was the key to our success but then McKenzie and Dillon, well they too masterminded top 10 offenses and with far less talent that we typically have, in any position group, on that side of the ball.

I just don’t think the normal rules apply. I think Heupel’s success is maybe a bit more due to the X’s and O’s than it is to the jimmys and joes and that’s the criticism that some levy our way. From the very first game here we had people who know (Big Orange QBs) saying one thing was obvious, Heupel knew how to scheme his guys open. The thing is eventually opposing DCs are going to get enough film on Josh’s offense that they’ll be able to stop him. I mean we know that film from 62 games hasn’t been enough. Just wait. Eventually there’ll be enough film out there and yeah it may be 300+ games but somebody’s bound to figure this out. Right? lol

I see Josh Heupel to offense the way most people see Nick Saban and Kirby Smart to defense. I think the ultimate vindication may be when we beat Georgia’s defense this year. jmo.

I think it’s worth noting that from a talent perspective our second teams have the edge over our first teams. That bodes well I think for the program’s sustainability. Josh has noted multiple times this offseason that we finally have some depth on our team. I think it’s pretty obvious that’s a true assessment. jmo.

Last point. I’ve been going through the depth charts of our more elite opponents for this year (Georgia and Texas A&M so far) and surprisingly they don’t have near the edge in talent that many perceive, at least not on paper. In the aggregate it's marginal at best though Georgia's 3rd team defense is considerably more talented than our 3rd team, at least on paper. Of course we have a few more gems that have yet to really suit up (Hobbs, Bradley, Weathersby, etc.) so if they can start moving up the depth chart in camp our 3rd teamers will start improving as well. jmo.
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[Jackcrevol]

What kind of snake is this?

we will never know.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Can’t really use his UCF numbers. This is the SEC. The OL is gonna be a big question this year. Losing Wright will be huge. He will be hard to replace. I think we will regress on offense. We won’t be #1 in scoring and yards per game imo. I think slip out of the top 10. But that’s still really good.

Now there is a s national that we can remain maybe top 5-10 in scoring. If Milton puts it all together and finally performs up to his abilities, then we could be lethal again.

Of course you can. It's not like he had SEC talent while not playing in the SEC.

 

[BigSteve09]

Please say a prayer for our 1 year old son Parker. Day 5 of very high fevers (104+) and lethargy and at the ER again for the 2nd time in 3 days. Doing CBC test, catheter to rule out UTI and some different viral panel swabs. There is nothing worse in this world than seeing your little man in pain. Just want him 100% and some peace of mind.View attachment 552673View attachment 552677

 

[All_Vol87]

Please say a prayer for our 1 year old son Parker. Day 5 of very high fevers (104+) and lethargy and at the ER again for the 2nd time in 3 days. Doing CBC test, catheter to rule out UTI and some different viral panel swabs. There is nothing worse in this world than seeing your little man in pain. Just want him 100% and some peace of mind.View attachment 552673View attachment 552677

Praying healing in Jesus name!!

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Was at this game unfortunately…should’ve known then that Pruitt was not going to cut it.

As embarrassing as us being in the #1 slot is, tiger high is listed 3 times as the opponent who is the embarrassing loss to.

It took us being in this position to get us to where we are now.


15-0

Anyone ready to be #1 at the end of this season?

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

When you break his argument down like that, it makes more sense. I appreciate that, as I misunderstood his viewpoint.

As far as selfishness, if that's how my viewpoint is perceived then so be it. I have better things to do with my time. I really honestly dont have the bandwidth to fight social injustices.

Stand tall and fight for others just in your immediate vicinity. That’s enough actually. If every VFL does, then the world would be a much better place.

We’re like Roy Kent (Ted Lasso reference)
We’re here, we’re there, we’re every effing where! VFLs, VFLs!

 

[drvenner]

My wife says she absolutely has to get out of the house for awhile because she absolutely cannot stand the herbs I have been using in the kitchen.

Bae leaves.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

i will boycott every event and sell my Vol stuff if they dont build a small O charleys with a tiny dance floor that allows smoking inside.

This is where you take a stand


Yes, I see the blue font. Couldn’t resist.

 

[volinokc]

So here’s the argument advanced by some opposing fans. Tennessee is likely to regress this year in terms of its offense. With the loss of Hooker and Hyatt, not to mention Darnell Wright, and maybe Tillman, that offense is going to take a step back. Really? What if I told you I wasn’t so sure. Hear me out.

Josh Heupel has been a head coach for 5 years, starting in 2018 at UCF. In that time 6 different QBs have started games for him, McKenzie Milton, Darriel Mack Jr, Brandon Wimbush, Dillon Gabriel, Joe Milton, and Hendon Hooker. As the table below shows in all 5 years Heupel has fielded a top 10 offense in terms of both yards per game (total offense) and points per game (scoring offense). Some years his offense leans more on the running game, other years the offense leans more on the passing game, but the end result is still the same, top 10 total and top 10 scoring.
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After the 2021 season we essentially lost all of our starting receivers though Tillman actually did start the first 3 games of 2022. We also lost 5-star Cade Mays from the offensive line, yet our offense improved to best in the nation and we took down Florida, LSU on the road, and Alabama. Cade finished 2021 on the all-sec team and Tillman was on multiple preseason all-sec teams for 2022. I mean maybe Hooker was the key to our success but then McKenzie and Dillon, well they too masterminded top 10 offenses and with far less talent that we typically have, in any position group, on that side of the ball.

I just don’t think the normal rules apply. I think Heupel’s success is maybe a bit more due to the X’s and O’s than it is to the jimmys and joes and that’s the criticism that some levy our way. From the very first game here we had people who know (Big Orange QBs) saying one thing was obvious, Heupel knew how to scheme his guys open. The thing is eventually opposing DCs are going to get enough film on Josh’s offense that they’ll be able to stop him. I mean we know that film from 62 games hasn’t been enough. Just wait. Eventually there’ll be enough film out there and yeah it may be 300+ games but somebody’s bound to figure this out. Right? lol

I see Josh Heupel to offense the way most people see Nick Saban and Kirby Smart to defense. I think the ultimate vindication may be when we beat Georgia’s defense this year. jmo.

I think it’s worth noting that from a talent perspective our second teams have the edge over our first teams. That bodes well I think for the program’s sustainability. Josh has noted multiple times this offseason that we finally have some depth on our team. I think it’s pretty obvious that’s a true assessment. jmo.

Last point. I’ve been going through the depth charts of our more elite opponents for this year (Georgia and Texas A&M so far) and surprisingly they don’t have near the edge in talent that many perceive, at least not on paper. In the aggregate it's marginal at best though Georgia's 3rd team defense is considerably more talented than our 3rd team, at least on paper. Of course we have a few more gems that have yet to really suit up (Hobbs, Bradley, Weathersby, etc.) so if they can start moving up the depth chart in camp our 3rd teamers will start improving as well. jmo.
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This is the analysis I need. I don’t understand these 8-4 predictions. I think we turned the corner last year and what we did should be our expectation every year. Those freshman on defense looked great in clean up time last year and I think our defense takes a huge step while our offense just keeps clicking.
And, like you said, we will beat Georgia.

 

[drvenner]

Prayers for your little one…. Nothing is worse than seeing them sick…. I also want to ask for a little girl (8) that was just diagnosed with bladder cancer… Her mom works with my wife…. I help her with homework every once in awhile…. She is a precious little girl.

Oh my goodness. That is such tough news. Prayers abound for this precious little girl. If you don't mind sharing her first name, I would appreciate knowing it.