Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[SpookyAction]

Question for you @volbeast33. First, this is not a flame LOL, it is a legit question. You are on record as saying that baseball analytics say that batting average is unimportant. I am assuming that is because HR are up and analytics say you score more runs if you pay attention to that over BA. Recently, I read that stolen bases are up significantly this year over the last two years. This is from a May 3rd Athletic article:

Entering May 1, the average stolen bases per game is 1.8, which is a jump up from last year (1.4) and 2021 (1.2) and the highest number since 2012. The stolen base success rate, 79.4 percent, is among the highest in recent baseball history.


If batting average is not important, why are SB numbers up? Seems to me you are risking an out and losing a baserunner if some dude is going to score you on a 3 run dinger anyway. Just curious.

All good points but there is still a risk of giving up an out for little reward if all you want are dingers.

You are talking in absolutes…. There is no such thing in baseball…. Teams don’t want dingers…. They want XBH’s…. They love stolen bases if they feel the success rate is worth the risk…. Stolen bases, hit and runs, bunts had all for the most part started disappearing from the game…. Stolen bases have started making a come back which makes me smile bc it is my favorite part of the game.

Analytics and its effects on the MLB – The Stolen Base
When HRs started going up in the 90s, they had far more effect on runs than stolen bases did.
It pains us traditional baseball thinkers to find out, but it is hard to argue that run production really shot up after the Rickey Henderson era.

This is a good guide about the most important hitting stats for Analytics to measure good hitting.
Advanced Baseball Analytics to Measure a Great Hitter
Batting average wasn't a perfect measure even in our youth. OBP was late to get its respect.
I was an Orioles fan in the late 70s and 80s. Ken Singleton hit for power, batting average, RBIs, and walked @100 times each season. His stats would have made him MVP in the 2020s. His OBP was over .400 six times.
This stat is why Barry Bonds' steroid years had such crazy stats. His intentional walks were huge. He was walked 140+ 7 times, while his OPB was .450+ 8 seasons, with 4 times over .500, and his best was .609.
Weighted On-Base Average is probably the most important hitting stat.

wOBA states the value for each method of reaching base is determined by how much that event is worth in relation to projected runs scored. A double is worth more than a single, a triple is worth more than a double, etc.
Similar to the more traditional OBP statistic, a breakdown of great hitters and their respective wOBA can be the following:

• .400-plus wOBA = Excellent
• .370-plus wOBA = Great
• .340-plus wOBA = Above Average
• .320-plus wOBA = Average

 

[LouderVol]

Ok. Doofus Dooley played at UVA. (For the kill!!)

FWIW Derek Dooley as a senior at Virginia would have been UGA's fifth most productive receiver last year in pretty much every category.

And in case it needs to be said, that's not a good thing for UGA

 

[headhunter15]

Atrocious list. Beamer above Heupel, Chip Kelly, Hugh Freeze, PJ Fleck, Jeff Brohm, Steve Sarkisian, Mack Brown, & Mike Gundy is criminal.

 

[MemphisVol3]

Atrocious lost. Beamer above Heupel, Chip Kelly, Hugh Freeze, PJ Fleck, Jeff Brohm, Steve Sarkisian, Mack Brown, & Mike Gundy is criminal.

Yeah they're overvaluing Beamer because of the UT and Clemson wins. If we go into that game without the huge distraction, even with the way Rattler played, South Carolina would've lost that game.

Heupel year 2: 11-2 with wins over (LSU and Bama at that)
Beamer year 2: 8-5 with wins over UT and Clemson (who UT also beat handedly)

I highly doubt Beamer beats LSU or Bama last year at any point of the season.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

Yeah they're overvaluing Beamer because of the UT and Clemson wins. If we go into that game without the huge distraction, even with the way Rattler played, South Carolina would've lost that game.

Heupel year 2: 11-2 with wins over (LSU and Bama at that)
Beamer year 2: 8-5 with wins over UT and Clemson (who UT also beat handedly)

I highly doubt Beamer beats LSU or Bama last year at any point of the season.

Plus was Beamer ever ranked #1? Was he in the running for a playoff position? Did he take over a program in as bad as shape as CH??

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Atrocious list. Beamer above Heupel, Chip Kelly, Hugh Freeze, PJ Fleck, Jeff Brohm, Steve Sarkisian, Mack Brown, & Mike Gundy is criminal.

By his logic, why is Dabo above Heupel & beamer?

 

[UTK]

By his logic, why is Dabo above Heupel & beamer?

It’s just all recentcy bias. The forget about that Florida beat down, Missouri L and all that laughable ****.

 

[volbeast33]

Analytics and its effects on the MLB – The Stolen Base
When HRs started going up in the 90s, they had far more effect on runs than stolen bases did.
It pains us traditional baseball thinkers to find out, but it is hard to argue that run production really shot up after the Rickey Henderson era.

This is a good guide about the most important hitting stats for Analytics to measure good hitting.
Advanced Baseball Analytics to Measure a Great Hitter
Batting average wasn't a perfect measure even in our youth. OBP was late to get its respect.
I was an Orioles fan in the late 70s and 80s. Ken Singleton hit for power, batting average, RBIs, and walked @100 times each season. His stats would have made him MVP in the 2020s. His OBP was over .400 six times.
This stat is why Barry Bonds' steroid years had such crazy stats. His intentional walks were huge. He was walked 140+ 7 times, while his OPB was .450+ 8 seasons, with 4 times over .500, and his best was .609.
Weighted On-Base Average is probably the most important hitting stat.

wOBA states the value for each method of reaching base is determined by how much that event is worth in relation to projected runs scored. A double is worth more than a single, a triple is worth more than a double, etc.
Similar to the more traditional OBP statistic, a breakdown of great hitters and their respective wOBA can be the following:

• .400-plus wOBA = Excellent
• .370-plus wOBA = Great
• .340-plus wOBA = Above Average
• .320-plus wOBA = Average

Good info…..thank you…..

 

[Enki_Amenra]

By his logic, why is Dabo above Heupel & beamer?

With that logic, Brian "creeper" Kelly and Nick Saban should also be behind Heupel.

 

[chargervol]

I looked in a couple of threads for you then did a quick search. I think about you and say a prayer for you every once in a while, like this morning when I saw dude with the blacked-out Hellcat that lives near my favorite Publix. I don't know how bad they are, but they sound scary and his looks bad.

Anyway, I hope errthang is good with you. Catch up when you get time.

Thanks Behr, I *really appreciate that. I should just explain bc I don't want people to think that I just split.
The pancreatitis has lead to several other complications now, some just as serious. Once things started down that path and my scripts started getting kinda ridiculous, my wife decided she'd had enough (she left).
I'm trying to play dad and mom now and not in the condition to really do either, much less both. No time in any day of the week just to hang.
I really miss hanging around tho.

Anyway, please don't take this as a pity party! Just wanted everyone to know why I'm not here. Really hope to catch up with everyone soon.
Miss y'all.

 

[SugarCC]

Atrocious list. Beamer above Heupel, Chip Kelly, Hugh Freeze, PJ Fleck, Jeff Brohm, Steve Sarkisian, Mack Brown, & Mike Gundy is criminal.

Can someone translate, I don't understand nonsense.

 

[volbeast33]

Can someone translate, I don't understand nonsense.

I can’t believe people are discussing the merits of a big game boomer list.

 

[Hyperion]

Lol

You already know the bammers will have their little Tuscaloosa trailer harlots ready to pounce on him if he starts winning the iron bowl

This is hilarious. 'Tucsaloosa trailer harlots', I about spit about my sandwich.

 

[Ace]

Atrocious list. Beamer above Heupel, Chip Kelly, Hugh Freeze, PJ Fleck, Jeff Brohm, Steve Sarkisian, Mack Brown, & Mike Gundy is criminal.

That list is a joke

 

[Devo182]

Atrocious list. Beamer above Heupel, Chip Kelly, Hugh Freeze, PJ Fleck, Jeff Brohm, Steve Sarkisian, Mack Brown, & Mike Gundy is criminal.

Harbaugh above Dabo? Lmfao

And Jimbo above the GOAT with a fraction of the titles? Hmm k.

Mack Brown, given his history, seems low.

Beamer 20 spots too high - though I get USCjr is a poverty program so 8-5 must feel massive for that place.

I'd have Rhule higher too. Leiopold and Freeze as well. Chip Kelly 10-15 spots, he's finding his 2nd footing.

The rest is meh. No one will ever be happy with these lists. But to not have Saban #1 and Dabo top 3 feels a little crazy.

 

[volbeast33]

 

[Glitch]

Thanks Behr, I *really appreciate that. I should just explain bc I don't want people to think that I just split.
The pancreatitis has lead to several other complications now, some just as serious. Once things started down that path and my scripts started getting kinda ridiculous, my wife decided she'd had enough (she left).
I'm trying to play dad and mom now and not in the condition to really do either, much less both. No time in any day of the week just to hang.
I really miss hanging around tho.

Anyway, please don't take this as a pity party! Just wanted everyone to know why I'm not here. Really hope to catch up with everyone soon.
Miss y'all.

Prayers for strength @chargervol. You have a big ole VN family here that would undoubtedly help in any way we can.

 

[Ten_Titans]

Atrocious list. Beamer above Heupel, Chip Kelly, Hugh Freeze, PJ Fleck, Jeff Brohm, Steve Sarkisian, Mack Brown, & Mike Gundy is criminal.

Y'all were talking about chat bot lists... This dude been making lists from pure RNG for years and still somehow gets massive response every single time.

"Top 200 stadium bathrooms" and then just pure hate in the comments lol. A second of thought is more than that guy puts into any of these.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Tell me how this makes sense?

 

[Jackcrevol]

I was about 16 when Mtv and media were celebrating the 20th anniversary of Summer of Love and then Woodstock later. I was bumfuzzled to find out neither of my parents were hippies.
TV made me think all young people in the late 60s were hippies.
I think many older people paint with too wide a brush about Millennials and younger generations.

in think its the millenials that i see out, and interact with in the business world that put their stamp on that

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

 

[Jackcrevol]

Tell me how this makes sense?

should have his ass whipped about 3Xs

 

[highspeed]

...only the English. They race double-decker buses and chase wheels of cheese down a huge hill. They're obviously really lacking for quality entertainment over there.

Inevitable when soccer is your national sport.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Thanks Behr, I *really appreciate that. I should just explain bc I don't want people to think that I just split.
The pancreatitis has lead to several other complications now, some just as serious. Once things started down that path and my scripts started getting kinda ridiculous, my wife decided she'd had enough (she left).
I'm trying to play dad and mom now and not in the condition to really do either, much less both. No time in any day of the week just to hang.
I really miss hanging around tho.

Anyway, please don't take this as a pity party! Just wanted everyone to know why I'm not here. Really hope to catch up with everyone soon.
Miss y'all.

Geez man. Sorry to hear brother. Knowing your posts in the past, if anybody has a reason to complain. Stay strong. God bless

 

[Jackcrevol]

Inevitable when soccer is your national sport.

Cricket