Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

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The only thing that I kinda wished came out of this is that the 16 players that accepted money were somehow punished and/or the schools that took them.

Like, the schools that took them - knowing they'd accepted money - have to vacate wins for the first season they played because they shouldn't have been eligible for 1 year.
 
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SoilVol said:
The only thing that I kinda wished came out of this is that the 16 players that accepted money were somehow punished and/or the schools that took them.

Like, the schools that took them - knowing they'd accepted money - have to vacate wins for the first season they played because they shouldn't have been eligible for 1 year.
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How the hell would the schools to whom they transferred have any idea what they did or didn't do at UT? That's preposterous.
 
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LA Vol said:
Also, media narrative of UT avoiding a bowl ban is bogus. Postseason ban was off the table way back.
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The fine is excessive, as is more scholarship reductions. The recruiting restrictions I can understand. I agree there should be a fine, but the amount is too high IMO. And I think our previous scholarship reductions should have been enough. I feel we're being punished for succeeding in spite of those previous reductions. The vast majority of their "evidence" came from our cooperation. I feel like they took serious advantage of that cooperation.
 
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SSVol said:
So you think a two year post season ban, plus all the other crap would have been better?
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Tennessee’s goals in cooperating were as follows:

1. Avoid the worst types of penalties: ✅

2. Have a reasonable enough penalty to be able to frontload 90% of it in the first two seasons: ❌

3. Avoid the embarrassing, high-level charges: ❌

4. Have a negotiated resolution in around 18-24 months from the outset of the investigation: ❌

Obviously #1 is the most important. So if that’s all you care about, then cooperation was a success. And I don’t think that’s an unreasonable way to look at this.

But, from the university leadership perspective, I don’t think they feel like this worked out very well. I doubt you see us do something like this again in the future.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
Five years probation and 28 total scholarships (minus the 18 we already imposed)

so basically 2 less scholarships over the next 5 years.

waltzing out of court, leadership did a great job

some vacated wins

show cause for Pruitt
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A lot more than that.
 
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Weezer said:
NCAA just proved once again that cooperating isn't worth it.
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It's been said by multiple people that if we hadn't, we would have been hit with a postseason ban.

It is what it is. We lost either way but we would have super lost apparently if we'd told them to shove it up their ass like they deserve.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
It's been said not by multiple people that if we hadn't, we would have been hit with a postseason ban.

It is what it is, we lost either way but we would have super lost apparently if we'd told them to shove it up their ass like they deserve.
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Depends on what they could have proven without us giving them everything. Plenty of programs have not cooperated and skated.

I think we did the right thing. I don't think the NCAA did the right thing. There should have been more reward to cooperating and making their job easy.
 
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Orangeburst said:
As part of the five-year NCAAA probation, UT must:
  • Pay fine, including $8 million, 50% of gross revenue paid to SEC for UT's participation in the 2020 TaxSlayer Gator Bowl under Pruitt, $5,000 plus 3% of football budget
  • Vacate all wins and individual records in any game in which 16 individual sanctioned players participated. Those games will announced later.
  • Cut 28 scholarships from its roster over five years. UT had already self-imposed 16 scholarships over the past two seasons.
  • Cease communication with recruits for 28 weeks spread over five years.
  • End unofficial visits by recruits for 40 weeks over five years.
  • Cut 36 official visits by recruits over five years.
  • Cut 120 evaluation days over five years.
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I consider the bold to be egregious. And if the university can appeal, I hope they do.
 
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Orangeburst said:
As part of the five-year NCAAA probation, UT must:
  • Pay fine, including $8 million, 50% of gross revenue paid to SEC for UT's participation in the 2020 TaxSlayer Gator Bowl under Pruitt, $5,000 plus 3% of football budget
  • Vacate all wins and individual records in any game in which 16 individual sanctioned players participated. Those games will announced later.
  • Cut 28 scholarships from its roster over five years. UT had already self-imposed 16 scholarships over the past two seasons.
  • Cease communication with recruits for 28 weeks spread over five years.
  • End unofficial visits by recruits for 40 weeks over five years.
  • Cut 36 official visits by recruits over five years.
  • Cut 120 evaluation days over five years.
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The NCAA can't set UT's football budget. Slash the football budget to $0 and run a 100% unfavorable budget variance. Problem solved.
 
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