Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[Adam Sandler]

Would love to know the true effect of the negative recruiting against us regarding a possible bowl ban. Specifically if any players would have committed to us had that not been lingering, and if any current prospects are changing their mind and leaning UT now that they know it’s not on the table.

Obviously we’ll never know but I’m really curious about it.

 

[MattR11]

I consider the bold to be egregious. And if the university can appeal, I hope they do.

Can we appeal? Idk the recruiting visits and communication stuff sounds like it would really hurt. Everyone sounds pleased with the results but the recruiting hit here seems pretty bad to me.

 

[Adam Sandler]

The NCAA can't set UT's football budget. Slash the football budget to $0 and run a 100% unfavorable budget variance. Problem solved.

I doubt it’s that simple but would love to discuss further since I’m honestly not knowledgeable about how this works. Where’s my posters that like to pull ncaa legislature/rules excerpts?

 

[Adam Sandler]

Can we appeal? Idk the recruiting visits and communication stuff sounds like it would really hurt. Everyone sounds pleased with the results but the recruiting hit here seems pretty bad to me.

No idea. I’m pleased with no post season ban and fine with the scholarship reductions, but not pleased with any of the rest of it. I don’t think we can afford to not evaluate, recruit, and host prospects for months out of the year. And the part about our football budget seems like a monster money grab. I’m pissed at that, like can they even do that?

 

[Mike4Vols]

Makes me sick when Knoxville media takes a dump on the program. They have choice on how they spin a headline. Punks.

 

[tnvols72]

Now UT can make that $8 mil back in one game once renovations are complete

 

[TheRain]

I was talking with a P5 coach, he said teams like UT with organization like Spyre will clean up in portal. He told me of one P5 team that is shifting entire recruiting strategy to buying players through portal. He believes that HS signing will become less important in the next few years for bigger schools. They will have their choice of portal players

I've always felt this way. It just makes too much sense.

 

[TheRain]

Makes me sick when Knoxville media takes a dump on the program. They have choice on how they spin a headline. Punks.

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This is such a USA TODAY headline.

 

[Jimmy Football]

No idea. I’m pleased with no post season ban and fine with the scholarship reductions, but not pleased with any of the rest of it. I don’t think we can afford to not evaluate, recruit, and host prospects for months out of the year. And the part about our football budget seems like a monster money grab. I’m pissed at that, like can they even do that?

Don’t worry about evaluation time. That’s completely unenforceable.

The visit stuff is more than we had hoped for, but once you factor in time-served and spread the remainder over 5 yrs, it’s actually less than we’ve already been self-imposing. Annoying, but not that damaging.

The fine and other monetary penalties are outrageous. We’ll see what comes of that.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Now UT can make that $8 mil back in one game once renovations are complete

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need to add a mma cage or boxing ring to the side of WH.

 

[BigSteve09]

 

[UTProf]

Exemplary cooperation
The violations in this case came to light when an athletics department staff member informed the office of the chancellor about a conversation the staff member overheard in the football program about student-athletes being "paid." The school immediately retained outside counsel and began an investigation. Within three weeks, the school confiscated cellphones of several staff members, preserving critical phone and text records that supported violations. The former director of compliance also visited local hotels, restaurants and other businesses to obtain receipts and surveillance footage, and then personally reviewed that footage.

The school notified NCAA enforcement staff of the need for further inquiry and imposed significant corrective measures just a few months into its investigation, including terminating several coaches and staff involved in the violations and implementing scholarship reductions and recruiting restrictions.

"Under the strong leadership of its chancellor, Tennessee acted swiftly, thoroughly and decisively," the panel said in its decision.

During the hearing, the enforcement staff stated that the fully formed record in this case would not have been possible without Tennessee's significant efforts to secure and develop information.

"Tennessee's cooperation throughout the investigation and processing of this case was exemplary by any measure," the panel said. "Although this case involved egregious conduct, (Tennessee's) response to that conduct is the model all institutions should strive to follow."

We're the teacher's pet. lol. Donde and Danny need to take a bow.

 

[Jackcrevol]

smoke 'em if ya got em!!

 

[Jimmy Football]

I mean, they kinda punished the current coaches. And by “kinda,” I mean “unquestionably.”

 

[BigSteve09]

Don’t worry about evaluation time. That’s completely unenforceable.

The visit stuff is more than we had hoped for, but once you factor in time-served and spread the remainder over 5 yrs, it’s actually less than we’ve already been self-imposing. Annoying, but not that damaging.

The fine and other monetary penalties are outrageous. We’ll see what comes of that.

I think some people are missing that part

 

[volinokc]

He gets paid for these insights, right?

 

[drvenner]

The more people see this the more the hand wringers find the dark clouds. ITS OVER. Nothing in there will hurt recruiting or results moving forward. If you "vacate" games you won on the field does anyone think that changes the fact you WON them on the field. It's just paperwork. Who cares.

Yup, if our rivals are complaining about the penalties we ultimately received, it's a win for us.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I don't like more scholarship reductions. The rest I can live with. Though given our level of cooperation, it seems steep.

The should offer Pruitt a chance to lessen his show-cause by turning state's evidence on Bama, and possibly Georgia. He knows how that cheating machine works.

Lol, GA and Bama are the reason we got what we did. You don't beat Saban without consequences. Ask Hugh.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Yup, if our rivals are complaining about the penalties we ultimately received, it's a win for us.

Our rivals were going to complain about any punishment less than the death penalty.

 

[TheRain]

Aggies dude is mad.

 

[TheRain]

 

[Govolsman98]

Aggies dude is mad.

He'll be even madder October 14

 

[SSVol]

Aggies dude is mad.

He's just pissed that after paying the $8M fine we're done, whereas they get fined every year with what they pay Jimbo.

 

[Devo182]

Hate florida
Was satisfying whooping their ass

Those 2 catches by Ramel and then a sliding Bru TD are memory makers.

That drive set the tone for H2 and the game.

 

[Devo182]

Alright guys, some more reading material to get us through the last few weeks before Fall Camp.

Notes from the most accurate college football preview of the last decade.

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They have us ranked #13 preseason of all Power 5 teams:

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We are also 13th ranked on the running 5-year Recruiting average.

We finished as the 5th best graded team of 2022:

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Heupel currently the best rated coaching hire of the 2021 class of coaches, and the highest rated hire of any coach from 2017-2021:

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LB Keenan Pili made the All-Transfer Team
WR Bru McCoy 2nd Team All-SEC
LB Aaron Beasley 2nd Team All-SEC

SEC PREDICTION:

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Excerpts from his notes on the Tennessee team page:


Where we rank nationally:

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Just so you know, those same Offensive/Defensive charts were FULL of red last year. DRASTIC change.

I mean look at this. IF our DBs can improve EVEN JUST A LITTLE. We are among the elite:

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Woah that's a lot but let's focus on this one bit for a moment, because all those highly knowledgable UCF fans and even media said UCF upgraded