Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[drvenner]

What is the best lawyer/courtroom movie ever?

A Few Good Men and it's not even close.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Can you share what the NCAA told us ?

Roughly, time served, plus a much smaller fine. No failure to monitor charge. I don’t know if vacated wins were part of that or not.

When we self-imposed penalties, we did it in conjunction with the NCAA people working on our case. That’s why we were pissed when they came back and started asking for more.

 

[LA Vol]

But it was a useful narrative for negative recruiting. Not that it blowing back will harm Smart, Saban, Kelly et al. But a recruit that favors us but listened to that tripe spilling out of Stoops and Beamer’s glory holes will count it against them imo.

It was. Stoops and Beamer are two of the most creative in making stuff up. It tends to net them guys UT didn't prioritize, then they spin it as stealing a prized recruit away from Tennessee.

 

[Vols4us]

Ubben's doubling down on his own stupid recommendation from when it was first announced.

 

[Orangeburst]

Does anyone know how many of the other penalties besides SCHOLARSHIPS we have already self-imposed?

Source here: Hundreds of violations occurred in Tennessee football program over 3 seasons - NCAA.org.



The numbers arent as bad as they sound if I understanding correctly and we are being credited with all of our previous recruiting penalties.

Tennessee previously self-imposed and is credited with a reduction of seven official visits from the 2021-22 academic year, and the school can be credited for any additional reductions in visits from the 2022-23 academic year if they were imposed in connection with regular-season home games.

Tennessee previously self-imposed and is credited with a six-week reduction in 2021 and two weeks during 2022, and the school can be credited for any additional reductions imposed for regular-season home games during the 2022-23 academic year.

Tennessee self-imposed and is credited with a reduction of 12 days in fall 2021 and eight days in spring 2022, and the school can be credited for any additional reductions it imposed during the 2022-23 academic year.

 

[RikidyBones]

Can someone explain show cause penalties to me like im 5?

A school has to argue why they hired the person and hiring that person comes with an automatic penalty so I think this one is a year suspension. But the school that hires him will have a punishment assigned.

 

[mrmax86]

 

[RikidyBones]

So in the ncaa release it says: “A vacation of all records in which student-athletes competed while ineligible. The university must provide a written report containing the contests impacted to the NCAA media coordination and statistics staff within 14 days of the public release of the decision.”

Does this mean we have to vacate the wins during this time?

Can we vacate the losses too?

 

[knoxvol52]

Missouri fans upset because of what happened to them in the past. Ohio State saying they got it worse for tattoos.

Fans of other schools (ND, Ole Miss, LSU) that have had to vacate wins mostly focusing on how stupid/inconsistent the NCAA is in general.

Alabama:


other Bama fans with blue balls. wanted the worst.

overwhelming majority across all fans/media saying we did the right thing and somehow successfully navigated out of a huge mess.

To hell with Ohoi State and Missouri ,LSU , Mississippi well you get the point

 

[Jackcrevol]

Maybe you can grow a pair and feel all better.

that does sound like something that would be beneficial. though, I will admit, three kids later - there is a good chance my nuts are/were in good order previous to the snip. then they became softball sized.

 

[drvenner]

What an absolute ********, ****ing ridiculous, worthless take by Ubben. **** that dude.

 

[peaygolf]

On a lighter note...........

Yea. We got a chance here..........

EDIT:

My bad.......His QB just committed to The Peay last week........

 

[BigSteve09]

I saw someone online say that the NCAA saw Nico's contract and wanted their own Tennessee NIL deal.

Kind of funny

 

[drvenner]

Roughly, time served, plus a much smaller fine. No failure to monitor charge. I don’t know if vacated wins were part of that or not.

When we self-imposed penalties, we did it in conjunction with the NCAA people working on our case. That’s why we were pissed when they came back and started asking for more.

Thanks. I am sure all those university presidents lobbying for stronger penalties were doing so purely in the sense of justice.

 

[RikidyBones]

Ubben's doubling down on his own stupid recommendation from when it was first announced.

He's lost during his bootleg cigarette revenue down time as the elementary school kids aren't in school currently.

 

[drvenner]

Tennessee previously self-imposed and is credited with a reduction of seven official visits from the 2021-22 academic year, and the school can be credited for any additional reductions in visits from the 2022-23 academic year if they were imposed in connection with regular-season home games.

Tennessee previously self-imposed and is credited with a six-week reduction in 2021 and two weeks during 2022, and the school can be credited for any additional reductions imposed for regular-season home games during the 2022-23 academic year.

Tennessee self-imposed and is credited with a reduction of 12 days in fall 2021 and eight days in spring 2022, and the school can be credited for any additional reductions it imposed during the 2022-23 academic year.

Thanks, Brother.

 

[mrmax86]

LOL get 'em, Andy

 

[knoxvol52]

On a lighter note...........

Yea. We got a chance here..........

Don't look like much competition for us to get him

 

[peaygolf]

Don't look like much competition for us to get him

If he does come to Peay, he will be an All-American...................and then transfer out after a year or two.......like they all do.

 

[Weezer]

I don't like more scholarship reductions. The rest I can live with. Though given our level of cooperation, it seems steep.

The should offer Pruitt a chance to lessen his show-cause by turning state's evidence on Bama, and possibly Georgia. He knows how that cheating machine works.

 

[butchna]

Ubben…always a friend of the program and cigarette loving pre- adolescents across the nation.

 

[LA Vol]

Roughly, time served, plus a much smaller fine. No failure to monitor charge. I don’t know if vacated wins were part of that or not.

When we self-imposed penalties, we did it in conjunction with the NCAA people working on our case. That’s why we were pissed when they came back and started asking for more.

Level I Failure to Monitor was a knife in the back. Both sides had been using agreed-upon verbiage-- i.e. "significant" vs. "severe"-- in communication, with clear navigation around anything close to lack of institutional control. Level I means "failure to cooperate" with the NCAA, which all parties agreed from the outset did not apply since UT provided full cooperation top-down.

The NCAA nailed UT with a Level I, upped the proposed fine again and again and kept stockpiling penalties. UT did not want to vacate wins, but wanted to protect postseason and recruiting more.

 

[Vol423]

I don't like more scholarship reductions. The rest I can live with. Though given our level of cooperation, it seems steep.

The should offer Pruitt a chance to lessen his show-cause by turning state's evidence on Bama, and possibly Georgia. He knows how that cheating machine works.

Like the NCAA has any interest whatsoever in exposing violations at Alabama or Georgia.

 

[UTSuave’]

Five Freshmen Most Likely To Factor For Tennessee Football This Fall | Rocky Top Insider

 

[Weezer]

Level I Failure to Monitor was a knife in the back. Both sides had been using agreed-upon verbiage-- i.e. "significant" vs. "severe"-- in communication, with clear navigation around anything close to lack of institutional control. Level I means "failure to cooperate" with the NCAA, which all parties agreed from the outset did not apply since UT provided full cooperation top-down.

The NCAA nailed UT with a Level I, upped the proposed fine again and again and kept stockpiling penalties. UT did not want to vacate wins, but wanted to protect postseason and recruiting more.

NCAA just proved once again that cooperating isn't worth it.