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Well that settles it: Janis Joplin VFL. :D Did you attend both? That would've been an amazing experience! I knew she'd played UT because I had a teacher tell me that she'd played there back when she was a student at UT.
I did attend both and with a girl I had dated in high school in Virginia who I invited up from the University of South Carolina where she went to college. She was a good sport who endured my fandom with class. During the Janis Joplin concert, at Stokley, an overhead light suddenly burst loudly, momentarily stopping the concert.
 
So AP just put an article out on VQ about 2 Freshman missing significant time due to injury. Anyone that pays for a sub care to elaborate on who they are and how they got hurt?

Edit: Sorry was being lazy, looked back a couple pages and found it
 
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I'm always concerned as a Tennessee fan.

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So banks was missing practices and whatnot.. bad attitude.. same for juju. Banks had a bad attitude in the building and tried to fight other players all the time for little to no reason. Before the usce game, Hendon said something to banks and banks immediately tried to fight him. Milton stepped in to take up for Hendon. Banks finally got in trouble for being a punk.
Thank you for your service.
 
OL, OL, OL, OL, OXYGENMAgnesium!?!?!?!

I think maybe you have to judge the OLine with respect to the opponent. So against the Missouri defensive line in 2021 which was ranked #124 in the nation against the run we rushed 59 times and gained 458 yards on the ground at an average pop of 7.76 yards per attempt. We scored 5 rushing TDs.

In 2022 Missouri’s run defense improved to 32nd best in the nation and we only rushed 37 times against them and only gained 264 yards on the ground, averaging only 7.14 yards per attempt. It wasn’t all doom and gloom though as we still scored 5 rushing TDs against them last year. Okay, see, that framing is supposed to be funny. lol

For years I’ve been preaching that an experienced offensive line is incredibly important to the success of most offenses. Bill Connelly got the religion this year when he published his returning production metrics. He uses snaps played for his count and the value of OL returning production is on average almost half of the entire offense’s total number. Anyway, we lost a couple of guys to the NFL and now Cooper is out too so of course people are paying attention.

I think the “concern” with our OLine is probably tied to our opponent. So it’s probably not that we have to worry about everybody on our schedule but maybe right now there’s some concern about us going up against some of the better defensive fronts on our schedule. jmo.

I don’t think we’ll likely learn a lot from the Virginia game as Virginia is pretty much Vanderbilt, if even that. The only presumed strength of their football team, however, is their defensive line, and more specifically, the two starting defensive tackles. They base out of a 4-3 scheme. They don’t appear to have any quality depth behind those two guys so our tempo will probably take a toll. They like to sub at least one of the guys out, the 1-tech, on passing downs. We may not let them do that. Anyway, I’m looking at the first and third quarters when their DL is most fresh to see how well we run the ball. I don’t think they have the edge guys to win against our tackles so I’m looking to see how our interior guys hold up in pass pro. Virginia’s 3-tech is pretty good with TFLs and Sacks. I like all three of our returning running backs for picking up blitzes. jmo.

I could be wrong but based on my scouting I don’t think Virginia, Austin Peay, Florida, UTSA, or South Carolina should be much of a problem for our OLine, even if we’re going with Plan B. So I don’t think we have much to worry about at least as we start out. We should improve as we go because we should be earning around 360+ career snaps per game for our OLine. Experience generally leads to improvement. It may be only after our bye week that we get to find out whether we can hang or not when we line up against the real deal. jmo.

Patrick Brown, I think in the 2-min drill yesterday, suggested that the staff still doesn’t know what they’re going to do on the OL because they’re still moving guys around. I think that’s a misread as Elarbee said just last week that practice reps are scripted in advance to get guys experience at different positions and as we get closer to game week we’ll lock in with our starters. We don’t want to go into the season without having backup guys ready to come in at different spots if necessary. For example, it was reported yesterday that Mincey was running with the 3rd team at left tackle. lol. My read is that we’re trying to get some other guys reps ahead of him because we already know what he brings to the table. jmo.

Below is a list of career snaps for our offensive line as we began each season, 21, 22, and now 23. Obviously we don’t have any 5-stars this year but in 2021 our starters began the season with a combined 3,663 career snaps. In 2022 our starters began the season with a combined 5,243 career snaps. If Cooper is back and the starters are Campbell, Karic, Cooper, Javontez, and Mincey we’d begin 2023 with a combined 5,779 career snaps. If Cooper is not back and we go with Ollie at center and the other 4 are the same then career snaps for the starters would be 4,835. If we go with Addison over either Karic or Ollie then we lose about 540-600 career snaps from whichever total would be in play.

Speaking of that Missouri game in 2021 Ollie played 83 snaps in that game. He played 82 snaps in our win over South Carolina that year too. Dayne Davis was, according to PFF, our highest graded offensive lineman in our loss at Alabama in 2021, a game in which he logged 58 OL snaps. I’ve been watching Ollie in the practice videos from training camp and while we’re only seeing drills I do think Ollie is moving a lot better than he may have been in previous years. jmo.

The purpose of this post is just to reiterate that no one probably needs to worry about our OL until after the bye week, by which time we would have added around 1,800 OL snaps of experience to our resume. That would be before A&M, maybe add 2,200 before Alabama, and something like 3,600 before Georgia. If the concern is talent and not experience then those are likely the only 3 teams in the regular season that may put up a decent fight. Of course we may have to face one of those twice, the second time being in Atlanta. If we draw a TCU like team in the playoffs, we probably don’t need to worry. That leaves only the championship game as another team that could possibly have an elite DLine. No sweat. lol. In any event I think it best not to give into the fear mongers, especially at this point, and instead just enjoy the ride. jmo.

Also maybe worth remembering regarding talent, in 2020 we faced Georgia with an OL of 4 5-stars, all future NFL players, a 6th year 4-star center, and 2 NFL running backs, and could not run the football. We gave up 5 sacks in that showdown and our run stats for the game including sacks were 27 attempts for -1 yards net. lol

Coaching can make a difference, either good or bad. jmo.

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For tantalizing NFL Draft prospect Joe Milton, third time could be the charm

This article from The Athletic is worth 15 minutes out of your day

I might be rooting for Milton more than I've cared for any other Vols player since I was a child.

some excerpts:

On the shores of Lake Okeechobee, down in “The Muck,” they run toward fire to keep from getting burned. This is where Joe Milton was born. Where he learned how to see through the smoke.

The legend of the Pahokee rabbit chasers deep in the Florida Everglades is well-documented. Young football hopefuls — and anybody else with spare time — spend parts of the fall and winter in sugar cane fields that have been set ablaze ahead of harvest. There, they sprint through the thick, hot mud after terrified rabbits, which dart out of the fields in search of freedom.

The boys who live for football are running for the same thing.

Kids who can catch 20 to 30 rabbits in a day — like Milton’s older cousins, former NFL receivers Anquan and D.J. Boldin — typically play skill positions. The rest tend to wind up on the line. But the commonality that links so many from Muck City is simple: When it comes to football, no dream is too big.

Milton never broke any rabbit-catching records. Nobody cared, though, primarily because Milton was bigger and stronger than most of his peers. But also because, if you stood close enough, you could hear it when he threw a football.

“Nobody in the world looks like you,” a coach once told Milton. “You look like a damn action figure.”

Milton — a 6-foot-5, 235-pound, sixth-year Tennessee QB by way of Michigan, by way of Orlando, by way of Muck City, with a right arm made of diamonds and dynamite.
Oh, and he’s made exactly nine starts in five years as a college football player. He’s lost his job twice, started over and refused to go away. He’s a guy who can throw a football (at least) 80 yards, before doing a backflip for good measure.

He could be the most interesting prospect in the 2024 draft class.

The oldest of seven children, Milton was born when his mother, DeShea Bouie, was still in high school. His identity as a big brother is perhaps his defining personality trait, and his tight bond with his mother anchors his life. If you want to find her at any Tennessee game, close your eyes and listen for the mom screaming, “Go Joe-Joe!” with unabashed glee over and over.

From the second Hayes inserted Milton at QB, he noticed how unbothered the kid was by a pass rush — or any other kind of pressure. Milton showed great quickness at his massive size and truly stood without fear in the pocket. But Hayes also says he never saw Milton lose his temper on a football field, no matter how rough things got.

Milton could, in a football sense, see through the smoke.

“He was always a listener, and that was always one of my favorite attributes. Right away,” Hayes says. “Now, he didn’t always do what you said. But he did listen.”

Milton took to staying with his coach after practice, sometimes as late as 10 p.m., doing homework, watching film, and talking about life before hitching a ride home.

In the most challenging moments on the field, Milton trusted his arm — which meant, really, that he relied on his own instinct over his training. The results? Deep-shot attempts on critical downs that weren’t necessary, no matter how close Milton came to landing them.

The best fit he found was with Pep Hamilton, then part of Jim Harbaugh’s offensive staff at Michigan.

Hamilton fell in love with Milton immediately, comparing him to Steve McNair.

Inside a football building, Milton is magnetic. He shows up early, stays late, supports everyone and usually can be found smiling. Teammates and coaches describe him as a player who is totally and genuinely in love with being part of a football team and everything that comes with it.

His combination of effort, energy and a willingness to root for his teammates has kept him in the conversation for every job he’s chased, even the ones he wasn’t ready to win. During his freshman year at Michigan, for example, when Harbaugh brought in QB Shea Patterson and appealed for Patterson’s immediate eligibility, coaches spent most of spring telling reporters in quiet moments that they were blown away by nearly everything Milton was doing.

His flashes have always been brilliant, enough to blind coaches from areas of his game that were lagging. In training camp, his arm would look like the ultimate mistake-eraser. Then, games would start, defenses would adjust and Milton would revert to old habits.

Milton knew football. He just didn’t always understand it.

According to just about everyone in his circle, Milton has answered the bell every day since (he lost the starting job).

Early in his career, Milton played the quarterback position with force. His tape from those days features mechanical breakdowns and almost zero anticipatory ability. All of that remained through the initial stages of his time at Tennessee, and it often worked against him — and in the worst possible moments. In football, a fastball doesn’t always get you out of a jam. Milton’s arm could look like a $500,000 sports car without brakes.

“We treated it like an airplane,” Dooley says of offseason throwing sessions with Milton designed to help improve the QB’s anticipatory passing. “The only way an airplane can take off is if the nose is up. The nose of the football has to be up. If it’s down, it’s going to die. “After that, it’s about trust — throwing the ball to a dark hole that doesn’t seem like it exists, and trusting that process.”

In football, the concept of “throwing with touch” is more or less equal to being able to anticipate and process. It’s learned through time on task and intense, relentless repetition. For Milton, trusting that the process would be worth it was a hurdle — one, by all accounts, that he cleared. Perhaps no one deserves more credit than Tennessee coach Josh Heupel.

Heupel’s “Deep Choice” offense is literally designed to make life easier on big-armed quarterbacks, because it takes the entire width (and, in Milton’s case, length) of the field and fills it with speed to widen throwing windows.

Search high and low for people who have been on teams with Milton, and it’ll take you a long time to find someone who doesn’t like him.

“One thing about Joe,” Hooker told The Athletic recently, “he’s going to approach the team and talk to everyone exactly how he’d want to be talked to. Whether something’s off or it’s on. No matter what.”

Hooker and Milton first met on a basketball court in Knoxville ahead of the 2021 season. They knew nothing about each other, except for the fact they were in each other’s way in a looming quarterback battle. For an hour, they went at it as hard as they could — two alphas trying to prove something to the pack.

A week later, Hooker and Milton were friends. By fall camp, they were basically best friends.

The 2023 college football season will be the third big opportunity of Joe Milton’s young football life. Most players are lucky to find one.

There’s still much to prove for the rocket-armed righty, including that he can replicate last season’s Orange Bowl performance over an entire season. There are no certainties either, except this: Milton has earned every one of his chances.

Now, once and for all, we’ll see if the action figure with the big dreams can make it happen.
 
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Looked like a sprained thumb maybe. No big deal. I'm sure it will feel better when it stops hurting.
correct as is pretty typical with these types of injuries. or any injury, or boo boo. it will feel better when it stops hurting.

Give me 2 500mg hydroxyphenyl acetimide, stat!
 
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