Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XI

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jave36 said:
Finally catching up on news today. So an NBA owner is banned for life for being a racist?

I wonder if the other owners are willing to give the NBA office that kind of power? Today it's racism, what's to stop them from banning owners for life for other activities?

And will this mean that players who use the N word or make a a "cracker" comment or beat their wives or get a DUI or any other bad behavior will be banned for life?

I'm interested to see how it plays out, and if the NBA even has legal authority to force a member to sell something the league doesn't own.

I'm sure yall have hashed all that out already, but it really is fascinating to see it all play out.
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Truthfully, I think the commissioner's hand was forced. It's a business and I think that's all that matters, really.

As the condemnation of Sterling and his racially insensitive comments spread Monday, major financial supporters of the NBA franchise announced they were severing ties with the Clippers.

In rapid succession, the mass exodus included used car seller CarMax, State Farm Insurance, Kia Motors America, airline Virgin America, P. Diddy's water brand, AQUAHydrate, Red Bull, Yokohama tires and Mercedes-Benz.
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Staples Center, home to the Clippers, issued its own statement Monday:

"We are deeply troubled by these disturbing remarks which go against everything we believe in as an organization. We support the players, the coaches, the rest of the team and their fans and we are committed to providing a safe, secure and welcoming environment for everyone" at Tuesday's Game 5 of the Clippers' first-round playoff series against the visiting Golden State Warriors. The series is tied at 2-2.

Club finances aren't made public, so it is not known how much money the loss of sponsorships has cost the Clippers, or the NBA.

Clubs contribute an equal percentage of their revenue into the revenue-sharing system, and receive 1/30th back. Meaning, a club with low revenues will receive a greater amount than it puts in, and clubs with high revenues will pay in more than they receive.
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A potential boycott of Tuesday night's NBA playoff games by players was averted after the NBA threw the book at Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling, banning him for life, fining him $2.5 million and raising the possibility of a forced sale of the team over racist remarks he made to an ex-girlfriend that surfaced on a tape recording over the weekend.
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Whether the commissioner's decree is successful in the long run isn't all that important right now. He had to stop the bleeding. Sterling is a relentless litigator and by all reports has a very tough team in addition to being a lawyer himself. It would seem that this saga is far from over.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Truthfully, I think the commissioner's hand was forced. It's a business and I think that's all that matters, really.







Whether the commissioner's decree is successful in the long run isn't all that important right now. He had to stop the bleeding. Sterling is a relentless litigator and by all reports has a very tough team in addition to being a lawyer himself. It would seem that this saga is far from over.
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I would refuse to pay the fine. It's a complete joke. I bet if a black owner said this about white people it wouldn't make the news.
 
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wU-Tang Vol said:
I know a guy that knows a guy who is close to the team. (Not joking lol) but he has been right on a lot of stuff before it comes out. Then, a poster on scout also said the same thing. So, as always tifwiw, but it looks good
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Yeah, but we all know that first guy is sketchy as hell so I'm not buying it.
 
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jman9865 said:
Mark Cuban said he was worried it's a slippery slope, but, from what I understand, his being forced to sell has not been voted on by 75% of the other owners. It is legal for them to do. Up until that happens, he's just been banned and fined. He can still own and profit from the team, he just is a silent owner, meaning he has no say in any of the team's business.
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It would be like mafia kingpin or drug lord running their organization from prison...just have to be creative with communication
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Truthfully, I think the commissioner's hand was forced. It's a business and I think that's all that matters, really.







Whether the commissioner's decree is successful in the long run isn't all that important right now. He had to stop the bleeding. Sterling is a relentless litigator and by all reports has a very tough team in addition to being a lawyer himself. It would seem that this saga is far from over.
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Chatt I wonder if they really have the authority to do this to him. Curious to see the language the contract and how the commissioner is interpreting it.
 
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Burger said:
I would refuse to pay the fine. It's a complete joke. I bet if a black owner said this about white people it wouldn't make the news.
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Racism in any way is wrong and idiotic. There are good and bad in any race and in all places. I also despise when people say if someone of another race did this or that no one would have said anything. It still doesn't make it right.

I believe that Sterling has the right to say anything he wishes but he also has to suffer the repercussions of his actions as well. If someone still wishes to support him, so be it. If they wish to no longer support him, so be it. I thought that the Clippers team had a great response to it and support their decision to do so.
 
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itsme said:
Racism in any way is wrong and idiotic. There are good and bad in any race and in all places. I also despise when people say if someone of another race did this or that no one would have said anything. It still doesn't make it right.

I believe that Sterling has the right to say anything he wishes but he also has to suffer the repercussions of his actions as well. If someone still wishes to support him, so be it. If they wish to no longer support him, so be it. I thought that the Clippers team had a great response to it and support their decision to do so.
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There's a huge double standard in society about racism. Blacks never get called out when they're racist. I haven't seen it yet.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
Chatt I wonder if they really have the authority to do this to him. Curious to see the language the contract and how the commissioner is interpreting it.
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Like I suggested, I don't think it really matters what authority the league has or doesn't have and I don't know the answer to your question. This was a business move. It was damage control in a crisis situation. It had the necessary impact. Perception-wise, there's not really a lot of full blown racists or racist sympathizers remaining in our society. Sure there are millions but probably not hundreds of millions. Stick with the larger market. More money. :)

Not to get political but from a perception standpoint I don't think this was a whole lot different than Obama disowning the Reverend Wright in the 2008 presidential campaign. It's all about damage control and protecting your brand. jmo.
 
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Burger said:
There's a huge double standard in society about racism. Blacks never get called out when they're racist. I haven't seen it yet.
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The state of South Carolina is proof of this. I've witnessed it for 2 1/2 yrs now. It's sickening.
 
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whitw said:
The state of South Carolina is proof of this. I've witnessed it for 2 1/2 yrs now. It's sickening.
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It's exactly why no other race likes them. Black people aren't popular with anyone lol. That's my observation living in diverse California.

Many act like they're entitled. If you thought white people hated blacks, you should hear what Mexicans have to say about them.
 
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Double standards regarding race have always existed. For several hundred years in this nation you didn't want to be in the minority, because the double standard at best meant someone else literally owned you, or you had no say in government, or at worst meant you were killed for it. If for a few decades the double standard slightly benefits the minority (which it doesn't, trust me - try getting most jobs with a name that sounds less white than most - read the research on this before you blast me on this out of ignorance), I think it'll be okay.

Please don't act as though fair means everyone being treated equally. That's the mentality of a 4-year-old. But, a lot of people think this way, which is why we have to have laws to protect and serve many among us (the disabled, the elderly, the young, those in minority groups that are often mistreated).

I should not have written this. Those in the powerful majority have a hard time recognizing the power and privilege they have. To do so would mean coming face to face with true unfairness - being born better off before you ever did anything to earn it.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Like I suggested, I don't think it really matters what authority the league has or doesn't have and I don't know the answer to your question. This was a business move. It was damage control in a crisis situation. It had the necessary impact. Perception-wise, there's not really a lot of full blown racists or racist sympathizers remaining in our society. Sure there are millions but probably not hundreds of millions. Stick with the larger market. More money. :)

Not to get political but from a perception standpoint I don't think this was a whole lot different than Obama disowning the Reverend Wright in the 2008 presidential campaign. It's all about damage control and protecting your brand. jmo.
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Yeah, the legality wasn't as important as coming out strong against what he said. Can you really fine somebody and force them to sell their property for private comments illegally recorded and then released to the media? I'm sure we'll find out in courts but I don't think the NBA had much choice given the public and the players reactions. Even if they lose later on they had to do this now.

The owners will play along as well given the financials at stake. While Cuban has a point that it's a slippery slope I can't imagine he or the other owners will risk the financial hit to stand strong in support of an owner's rights to make racist comments.
 
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VolLee said:
Double standards regarding race have always existed. For several hundred years in this nation you didn't want to be in the minority, because the double standard at best meant someone else literally owned you, or you had no say in government, or at worst meant you were killed for it. If for a few decades the double standard slightly benefits the minority (which it doesn't, trust me - try getting most jobs with a name that sounds less white than most - read the research on this before you blast me on this out of ignorance), I think it'll be okay.

Please don't act as though fair means everyone being treated equally. That's the mentality of a 4-year-old. But, a lot of people think this way, which is why we have to have laws to protect and serve many among us (the disabled, the elderly, the young, those in minority groups that are often mistreated).

I should not have written this. Those in the powerful majority have a hard time recognizing the power and privilege they have. To do so would mean coming face to face with true unfairness - being born better off before you ever did anything to earn it.
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Nailed it. You should be treated by your character. I practice that in my life. Remember, the 1% pay for 34% of all taxes.
 
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Burger said:
The only difference between a rare burger and a well burger is how long its been cooked.

I like the exceptions. Ben Carson makes me happy on the inside.
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So you actually just used that stupid ****ing metaphor to say they're all the same. I'd love to hear you tell Inky Johnson he's that type of person
 
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wU-Tang Vol said:
So you actually just used thst stupid ****ing metaphor to say they're all the same. I'd love to hear you tell Inky Johnson he's that type of person
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I'm saying that the mass majority is similar. I'm saying people in general act very similar. Inky is that exception I truly admire.

For every one Inky Johnson, there are probably a lot more that choose the life of crime. If the majority were like Inky, then Inky would not be special. He'd be average.
 
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triadvolfan said:
Yeah, the legality wasn't as important as coming out strong against what he said. Can you really fine somebody and force them to sell their property for private comments illegally recorded and then released to the media? I'm sure we'll find out in courts but I don't think the NBA had much choice given the public and the players reactions. Even if they lose later on they had to do this now.

The owners will play along as well given the financials at stake. While Cuban has a point that it's a slippery slope I can't imagine he or the other owners will risk the financial hit to stand strong in support of an owner's rights to make racist comments.
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You make a good point. Even a liberal supreme court supports the KKK's right to free speech. I think that's a big part of the slippery slope. But as we seemingly agree this isn't about free speech. This imo is about money and money trumps free speech, at least in the heat of the moment. Whether this situation is legal or not may take 5-10 years or more for the courts to decide. Meanwhile the heat is sort of off......just simmering a bit in the background.....as usual. :)
 
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