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Darth_Shiveman said:
Sorry man, but this just doesn't make any sense. He's had some great performances too that have won games for us. He's just inconsistent. Always has been.

No need to make it black and white.
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I totally agree that he has won games. But his worst games get us beat by teams that we have no business losing to. That is why I said that. Just a simply decent performance beats SC. And the toxic atmosphere of the last two weeks would have been averted, and we would still be ranked highly. That is all on Dobbs and the coaching staff for not recognizing his futility that day. Muschamp recognized it. He gambled on it and won. That doesn't make him a better coach...Just a lucky sob.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I totally agree that he has won games. But his worst games get us beat by teams that we have no business losing to. That is why I said that. Just a simply decent performance beats SC. And the toxic atmosphere of the last two weeks would have been averted, and we would still be ranked highly. That is all on Dobbs and the coaching staff for not recognizing his futility that day. Muschamp recognized it. He gambled on it and won. That doesn't make him a better coach...Just a lucky sob.
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We could've lined up and ran Kelly to a win. The man was gashing SCAR. Keep Dobbs in as a threat to run but run Kelly and win the game. Kelly would get 12 yards. The next play we were in 5 wide. Smh

That game was on the coaching staff. Stop making the game harder than what it is.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I totally agree that he has won games. But his worst games get us beat by teams that we have no business losing to. That is why I said that. Just a simply decent performance beats SC. And the toxic atmosphere of the last two weeks would have been averted, and we would still be ranked highly. That is all on Dobbs and the coaching staff for not recognizing his futility that day. Muschamp recognized it. He gambled on it and won. That doesn't make him a better coach...Just a lucky sob.
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Actually, recognizing an opponent's weakness and exploiting it to his team's advantage was smart, not lucky. Though he was lucky that the Vols weren't ready to play that day. The SOB part is indisputable.

Too bad both SCAR and UF can't lose on Saturday.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
We could've lined up and ran Kelly to a win. The man was gashing SCAR. Keep Dobbs in as a threat to run but run Kelly and win the game. Kelly would get 12 yards. The next play we were in 5 wide. Smh

That game was on the coaching staff. Stop making the game harder than what it is.
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Yes..that is true. It is also true that if JD could hit the broadside of a barn that night, that we would have gashed them. In the passing game. The staff is responsible for not seeing he wasn't capable that game of throwing effectively.
 
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LA Vol said:
Actually, recognizing an opponent's weakness and exploiting it to his team's advantage was smart, not lucky. Though he was lucky that the Vols weren't ready to play that day. The SOB part is indisputable.

Too bad both SCAR and UF can't lose on Saturday.
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Dobbs passing isn't always a weakness. That does make him lucky. He gambled on Dobbs having a bad day.
 
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Per Butch's presser:

Kyle Phillips is good to go on Saturday. Chance Hall is a maybe. Alexis Johnson isn't remotely close to playing (redshirt for him, obviously).

Sutton and Kamara are gametime decisions but practiced both days this week (sounds like they play).
 
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BruinVol said:
InsideTenn/scout had that info back before the season.

It's a group that is going to directly compete against BuckF according to what they said a few months ago.
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Considering Buck does little to help, and arguably does more to harm, UT in recruiting athletes to The Hill, this is great news.
 
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We need all of the players in question- and what is wrong with Hall now? Good grief we can't get through one game without 3-4 key players hurt.
 
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Aesius said:
Per Butch's presser:

Kyle Phillips is good to go on Saturday. Chance Hall is a maybe. Alexis Johnson isn't remotely close to playing (redshirt for him, obviously).

Sutton and Kamara are gametime decisions but practiced both days this week (sounds like they play).
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I'd be surprised if Sutton plays... unless we absolutely need him. But I've been surprised a lot the past few weeks.
 
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I agree. I think Martinez is definitely on the ropes and his seat needs to be hot right now. We don't have another corner after Sutton that I am confident about more often than not. I wouldn't mind taking a look at Terry Fair.
 
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Has anyone seen Chris Weatherd's video and is anyone buying it? Call me biased but come on now...

Edit: Perfect handwriting, empty garage...
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
Has anyone seen Chris Weatherd's video and is anyone buying it? Call me biased but come on now...

Edit: Perfect handwriting, empty garage...
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The hand writing does make me skeptical but the fact that someone put it on a car isn't right morally
 
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zhangliao04 said:
Who here thinks we get rid of any defensive coaches this off-season? If so, who?
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Rishvol said:
Only one I can think of is Martinez
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I was a Martinez backer in the early years. But he is not succeeding in teaching good man coverage technique. All you have to do is watch UF's secondary to see how that's done. His guys are fronting receivers and never turn their heads around instead of following/shadowing on the back hip within a footstep with the heads turning to the ball when the receivers do. Either he teaches crappy technique or they simply don't learn from him. Only Cam does it correctly that I have observed. Not sure about Osborne yet. Know Byrd knows how from HS, but he's not playing the position. If he is teaching it right, then he is recruiting the wrong guys. Either way that is a major problem IMO.
 
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Vols4us said:
I was a Martinez backer in the early years. But he is not succeeding in teaching good man coverage technique. All you have to do is watch UF's secondary to see how that's done. His guys are fronting receivers and never turn their heads around instead of following/shadowing on the back hip within a footstep with the heads turning to the ball when the receivers do. Either he teaches crappy technique or they simply don't learn from him. Only Cam does it correctly that I have observed. Not sure about Osborne yet. Know Byrd knows how from HS, but he's not playing the position. If he is teaching it right, then he is recruiting the wrong guys. Either way that is a major problem IMO.
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UF,the team with 2 first rounders?
 
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Vols4us said:
I was a Martinez backer in the early years. But he is not succeeding in teaching good man coverage technique. All you have to do is watch UF's secondary to see how that's done. His guys are fronting receivers and never turn their heads around instead of following/shadowing on the back hip within a footstep with the heads turning to the ball when the receivers do. Either he teaches crappy technique or they simply don't learn from him. Only Cam does it correctly that I have observed. Not sure about Osborne yet. Know Byrd knows how from HS, but he's not playing the position. If he is teaching it right, then he is recruiting the wrong guys. Either way that is a major problem IMO.
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If you had to pick which one it would be would you pick that it is the players not learning from him, the players themselves, or the technique he teaches is not on par enough for what we need to have a great secondary?

Also, I don't think you can use UF here. That secondary coach is not the one who taught Tabor and that secondary. That was all Muschamp, imo.
 
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Vols4us said:
I was a Martinez backer in the early years. But he is not succeeding in teaching good man coverage technique. All you have to do is watch UF's secondary to see how that's done. His guys are fronting receivers and never turn their heads around instead of following/shadowing on the back hip within a footstep with the heads turning to the ball when the receivers do. Either he teaches crappy technique or they simply don't learn from him. Only Cam does it correctly that I have observed. Not sure about Osborne yet. Know Byrd knows how from HS, but he's not playing the position. If he is teaching it right, then he is recruiting the wrong guys. Either way that is a major problem IMO.
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Something isn't working. It doesn't help that Butch and Z keep taking his recruits away to offense.
 
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Not convinced we have any staff changes at all unless DeBord retires. And if he does, CBJ might promote Z to OC.

Shoop or Scott might leave for the right opportunity, but probably not this year. JMO.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
Has anyone seen Chris Weatherd's video and is anyone buying it? Call me biased but come on now...

Edit: Perfect handwriting, empty garage...
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I think the crazy thing is people don't believe the actual fears some folks have and what they have to put up with. Here's another random example of what happened in Memphis like 2 or 3 days ago. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VXpfh9wD2nI
 
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